Yearling for Free Life Time Lease

Berlunz · 06-27-2008, 10:02 AM

Sounds like she is trying to do a good thing here just does not completely understand the horse world.

First right of refusal means if that person ever goes to sell the horse they have to offer it to you first. Or if you wanted you could put in a clause saying if they ever go to sell the horse they have to offer it to you for free first. This would essentially make them think twice about selling the horse.

Basically what she wants to do is just find the horse a place that it can stay forever. She wont be taking it back at any point in time however the new owners cannot sell it.

If you really are this adament about it. I would suggest finding a lawyer and having him draw up a contract stating such, meaning they are basically the new owners and can keep the horse forever. But if the horse gets neglected you have the right to "seize" it (with proper evidence of course). Or if they can no longer care for it they must return it to you instead of selling it to someone else. Or they can only sell it to a home approved by you etc.

Actually anyone could lease out a horse to someone for them to train it, there are a lot of horse desperate people out there. The only REAL question is, how good is the training going to be? lol

MyBelgianAzzy · 06-27-2008, 10:02 AM

I can't speak for LindsayAnne, but I can speak for myself when I say the part I took notice of was that he's a yearling.

I would never suggest a horse has to have a certain pricetag to be loved. But if I were looking at giving a yearling a home, especially with the intention of it being forever, I'm sure that I would pour training into it. I'm not talking basic boarding/feeding/farrier/vet bills, but time and effort to advance it's training on the ground and under saddle. You're making the horse's worth go up. So I would take issue with putting all that training into a horse only to give it away if I was no longer able to keep it.

That said, selling the horse for a quarter with a first right of refusal makes all the sense in the world to me. The seller would have the same opportunity to get the horse back and ensure it's forever home in case the new owner needed to sell it, but the buyer could sell the horse for a reasonable market price. I know that would make the prospect much more enticing to me- otherwise, I would just feel as if I was being used for free horse training (not saying that's the seller's intention by any means, but since with a lease the seller is retaining the ability to remove the horse I would be worried that would become the case).

Drafty · 06-27-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Berlunz

Sounds like she is trying to do a good thing here just does not completely understand the horse world.

First right of refusal means if that person ever goes to sell the horse they have to offer it to you first. Or if you wanted you could put in a clause saying if they ever go to sell the horse they have to offer it to you for free first. This would essentially make them think twice about selling the horse.

Basically what she wants to do is just find the horse a place that it can stay forever. She wont be taking it back at any point in time however the new owners cannot sell it.

If you really are this adament about it. I would suggest finding a lawyer and having him draw up a contract stating such, meaning they are basically the new owners and can keep the horse forever. But if the horse gets neglected you have the right to "seize" it (with proper evidence of course). Or if they can no longer care for it they must return it to you instead of selling it to someone else. Or they can only sell it to a home approved by you etc.

Actually anyone could lease out a horse to someone for them to train it, there are a lot of horse desperate people out there. The only REAL question is, how good is the training going to be? lol

you are absolutly right and i do agree but she is trying her best and yes he is a yearling and does need training but he will get there every horse does

denraydar · 06-27-2008, 10:22 AM

Yeah, a yearling is pretty but is of little use without training, lots of feed, hay, general care with nothing aside from personal pleasure in, again how pretty they are in return. Financial investments (time/labor/paying a trainer) are necessary. I think if You want to control the future of the horse you should agree to pay the market value of the horse, at the point of sale (in the future), to ensure it's quality of life should the adopter choose to pass it on to someone else. Or have a background check/investigate on your own ect. on potential adopters if you are worried about the outcome.

I can agree that it is hard to trust anyone with an animal that has already suffered greatly and been given cause to lose faith in humans. The need is overwhelming to ensure no harm comes to these poor suffering souls that are kind enough to give us another chance. I have rescued and would not part with my two for this very reason.

However if you do not have the want or the means or the time for another horse you should consider really checking up on the adopter first including checking out their facility and reputation as to whether they have the horse experiance to raise a yearling or not. Also to keep your peace of mind and minimize risk to the yearling.

You have to take a leap of faith here. If the investments of raising and training the horse were already complete the deal you mentioned would work for you and the adopter. But that is not the case. Best of luck.

Haas Horse Farm · 06-27-2008, 10:25 AM

The thing she needs to do is get with a lawyer about it. The problem is enforcing the document... many times things like this are not honored. For those that have them and they are honored you are the lucky ones. The problem is that many will agree to terms and then the situation at home changes. The OP's best bet is to put up a notice locally at tack stores and such... that way hopefully the lessee is going to be near by enough that she can check on the horse periodically and help if training is needed. If the person on the lease is not local it is very hard to enforce.

Check with someone with regard to your state/county laws about it... each place is a little different. I would also bet to be enforceable it would have to be filed with the court.

Good luck.

Drafty · 06-27-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by denraydar

Yeah, a yearling is pretty but is of little use without training, lots of feed, hay, general care with nothing aside from personal pleasure in, again how pretty they are in return. Financial investments (time/labor/paying a trainer) are necessary. I think if You want to control the future of the horse you should agree to pay the market value of the horse, at the point of sale (in the future), to ensure it's quality of life should the adopter choose to pass it on to someone else. Or have a background check/investigate on your own ect. on potential adopters if you are worried about the outcome.

I can agree that it is hard to trust anyone with an animal that has already suffered greatly and been given cause to lose faith in humans. The need is overwhelming to ensure no harm comes to these poor suffering souls that are kind enough to give us another chance. I have rescued and would not part with my two for this very reason.

However if you do not have the want or the means or the time for another horse you should consider really checking up on the adopter first including checking out their facility and reputation as to whether they have the horse experiance to raise a yearling or not. Also to keep your peace of mind and minimize risk to the yearling.

You have to take a leap of faith here. If the investments of raising and training the horse were already complete the deal you mentioned would work for you and the adopter. But that is not the case. Best of luck.

you are right and so is everyone else everyone has there own ways and there own syles of certain things and if they own there horses then there dicision. what she wants is what she wants and i would do it to and maybe even sell it after i knew it was okay and i knew the peson wasn't going to sell it just for the money cause trhen i would have guilt that i could have prevented that from happening you know what i mean

Beeks · 06-27-2008, 11:35 AM

Got any pics of him?

Drafty · 06-27-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeks

Got any pics of him?

that would be an idea so we know what he looks like

Circle C · 06-27-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by haunani

Probably because so many people don't honor them.

Put it in writing... it will hold up... trust me per my experience

denraydar · 06-27-2008, 08:35 PM

Civil court is usually mandated by local and state level laws and vary from state to state. You would need to do some research regarding your state laws or get an attourney experienced in this area to help you.

Even then civil court at the local level such as small claims court decision can depend soley on the discretion of the judge.

Ya can't trust em.

06-27-2008, 10:02 AM	#21
Berlunz Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,358 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 8	Sounds like she is trying to do a good thing here just does not completely understand the horse world. First right of refusal means if that person ever goes to sell the horse they have to offer it to you first. Or if you wanted you could put in a clause saying if they ever go to sell the horse they have to offer it to you for free first. This would essentially make them think twice about selling the horse. Basically what she wants to do is just find the horse a place that it can stay forever. She wont be taking it back at any point in time however the new owners cannot sell it. If you really are this adament about it. I would suggest finding a lawyer and having him draw up a contract stating such, meaning they are basically the new owners and can keep the horse forever. But if the horse gets neglected you have the right to "seize" it (with proper evidence of course). Or if they can no longer care for it they must return it to you instead of selling it to someone else. Or they can only sell it to a home approved by you etc. Actually anyone could lease out a horse to someone for them to train it, there are a lot of horse desperate people out there. The only REAL question is, how good is the training going to be? lol __________________ A note to politicians- When you sling mud you lose ground.

06-27-2008, 11:35 AM	#27
Beeks Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Washington Posts: 1,259 Images: 77	Got any pics of him? __________________ If wishes were horses, then beggers would ride. HEY!! WHO THREW THAT SNOWBALL??

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denraydar Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2008 Location: im a nut in a hut Posts: 1,280 Images: 9	Yeah, a yearling is pretty but is of little use without training, lots of feed, hay, general care with nothing aside from personal pleasure in, again how pretty they are in return. Financial investments (time/labor/paying a trainer) are necessary. I think if You want to control the future of the horse you should agree to pay the market value of the horse, at the point of sale (in the future), to ensure it's quality of life should the adopter choose to pass it on to someone else. Or have a background check/investigate on your own ect. on potential adopters if you are worried about the outcome. I can agree that it is hard to trust anyone with an animal that has already suffered greatly and been given cause to lose faith in humans. The need is overwhelming to ensure no harm comes to these poor suffering souls that are kind enough to give us another chance. I have rescued and would not part with my two for this very reason. However if you do not have the want or the means or the time for another horse you should consider really checking up on the adopter first including checking out their facility and reputation as to whether they have the horse experiance to raise a yearling or not. Also to keep your peace of mind and minimize risk to the yearling. You have to take a leap of faith here. If the investments of raising and training the horse were already complete the deal you mentioned would work for you and the adopter. But that is not the case. Best of luck.

06-27-2008, 08:35 PM	#30
denraydar Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2008 Location: im a nut in a hut Posts: 1,280 Images: 9	Civil court is usually mandated by local and state level laws and vary from state to state. You would need to do some research regarding your state laws or get an attourney experienced in this area to help you. Even then civil court at the local level such as small claims court decision can depend soley on the discretion of the judge. Ya can't trust em.