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    Wound down to the bone. Graphic pictures, wanted to share.

    I figured that I would share for someone who may need hope with a wound of this type.

    This happened July 13, 2010. This was posted on another board I visit.

    Today I had him turned out in the arena and all the barrels were laying down. He came flat out running down the arena, went around one barrel then tried to jump another length wise. He got 3/4 of the way over the barrel landed and flipped the barrel up some how with his back leg and caught it on his other. I thought he was fine until he started limping a bit and I saw blood! I freaked out started cussing and mad at myself for not picking up the barrels sooner. I thought he would be okay so I did a betadine scrub and peroxide and cold hosed it. I noticed I could see his cannon bone and ligaments.

    I called the vet and he came out a few hours later. He said Slinky was lucky the way he hit it and that he didn't cut his tendon. He just "degloved" the two tendons that are attached to each other. So he's on 4 - 5 week rest with me changing the bandages once a day for 5 days then 3 times a week after that. So far his first day of antibiotics went well. :grin:



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    Here is day two:


    Day Three:
    -Wrapped from day two


    -So y'all can see where it's at exactly on his leg





    Here are pictures from the last couple days. Yesterday started the days of the bandage staying on for 2 - 3 days at a time.

    Day 4:



    Day 5 - I called the vet because there was hair in his wound, so he told me to unwrap it, wash it with water and re-wrap again.



    Day 6 - Washed it off again since there was hair again. Today starts it being wrapped longer than over night. Will be changing on day 8.

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    YIKES! thats insane! poor horse!
    how is he doing now? you said it happened july 13th so its been 2 months ish now. ****edit: i guess you are adding pictures, so i will have to wait and see, but still! crazy****
    i'm also curious as to what you put on it in terms of like.. ointment/wound healing stuff, if you did at all

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    Well, today is day 8! The wound is looking pretty good. It appeared to have some puss this morning so I did as the vet said and washed it off. I also noticed that Slinky's leg was BLOWN up, like it's horrible and totally heated up. I hosed it off and walked him around for a few minutes and it didn't do to much for it. I went ahead and rewrapped it and called the vet. The vet said it's most likely cause I put the vet wrap on too tightly and when I go back to the barn I have to un-wrap it -sigh-, cold hose it for a while then take him for a walk. If it doesn't go down I have to call him back. Anyways...on to the pictures!




    Swollen leg!


    A "good" picture of Slinky.


    I did what the vet said and cold hose then took him for a 1/2 hour walk. Swelling came down a LITTLE bit but his wound looked DISGUSTING!!! I re-washed it and then rewrapped it. We'll see what it looks like tomorrow.


    Minor decrease in swelling....


    On Thursday I have to go make a payment on my bill *ouch* so I'm going to bring these pictures to the vet and see what he says about Slinky's healing. So far he's been just answering my questions over the phone, which is very kind of him! LOL!

    July 21, 2010
    Today is day 9 and I am at a complete loss on how to handle the situation I am in with Slinky's wound. Since the swelling arose the bandage has consistently slipped. Thus wasting the padding, ointment, saline, vet wrap and all. By it slipping it's totally saturated the pillow wrap in puss and since I've had to water it off and anything that looked "healthy" looking now looks horrible. I cannot afford to have the vet come back out and look at it because I am beyond broke from the last vet visit (still paying that off). Tomorrow I have to go make a payment and I plan to take pictures I have of Slinky's leg and try to get some advice that way. Due the fact that Slinky's bandage slipped at night (last night) and stayed like that it reopened a little section of his wound, his wound just looks horrible. As dumb as it sounds I feel like a failure to him because I can't get the darn wrap to stay in place. The vet said to put the vet wrap on loosely then put on the pillow wrap then the standing wrap, when I put the standing wrap on the WHOLE vet wrap MOVES! So it takes me like 3 re-wraps (which mean three times of ointment, two more pads, MORE vet wrap) to get it perfect! Then I come in the morning and the bandage has slipped thus AGAIN! Yesterday and today I honestly wanted to break down and just cry!! I let myself get all worked up and depressed because I just want it to be fine and do the best to make it stay in place. When I called the vet again today about it he said to make the vet wrap loose around it, then the bandage tight. I tried that and with a little pressure Slinky raises his leg and messes it up, then I gotta re-wrap...seeing a pattern here?? Finally today in the midst of tears my sister held up Slinky's front leg and I was able to fimly put the bandage on. MAYBE it will stay in place but he leg from his gaskin down to pastern is SWOLLEN. The walk I took him on today only helped a little, cold hosing it is seeming pointless because the water is only luke-warm. :thud: [Bang Head] I got some suggestions to use cotton before the vet wrap so I tried that today, I'm just tired, stressed, and feeling like I belong in an insane asylum all because of my failure to be able to keep this bandage from slipping. I am SO ready to STOP wrapping it and just leave it be but the vet seriously wants it to be kept wrapped for 3 weeks!! OMG!!! I'm going crazy....... *must remember to breath*

    I'll have pictures today when I get home. Thank you for reading this if you got through it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magicsdoublepla View Post
    YIKES! thats insane! poor horse!
    how is he doing now? you said it happened july 13th so its been 2 months ish now. i'd love to see pictures of his leg as it's healing.
    i'm also curious as to what you put on it in terms of like.. ointment/wound healing stuff, if you did at all
    Don't worry, I'm getting there. Just busy copying and pasting from the other board.
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    July 22, 2010
    So after absolute frustration with Slinky’s bandage slipping down his leg and resting on his hoof all night (leaving his wound exposed for 12 hours), I decided to nix the wrapping. Amazingly with his leg being exposed the swelling in his leg came down a bit! Slinky laid down and his wound was covered in dirt and gunk, so I washed it off and gave it a good betadine scrubbing and it looked pretty good. I applied some Cut n’ Heal to it. I love that stuff because not ONE fly was attracted to it!! HAHAH!

    I went to the vet and talked to him about everything. I stressed to him that I was having an extremely difficult time keeping a bandage on him and really needed a different way to treat this wound! For a few minutes he tried to keep on the bandaging boat and finally he changed his mind after I got pretty flustered about bandaging it. In all seriousness I have no problem bandaging it if he could show me a darn good fool proof way to keep the darn bandage up! We settled on adding Cut n’ Heal, a telfa pad then putting elastikon around that. Then he gave me like an ace bandage stocking thing to put on Slinky’s leg and said to tape it over his hock and on his cannon bone so it won’t slip. He instructed to leave it on like that for 4 days then reapply. Hopefully this will work, I have to go buy some elastikon from the tack store tomorrow.

    I asked him around proud flesh and he said that none of it appeared in the picture. Also if there was some at one point starting I scrubbed it off with betadine. He said the way he has be treating it (and the cut n' heal) will prevent proud flesh.

    July 26
    Thanks guys for the info and all the ideas. Currently the stocking he gave me lasted for 2 1/2 days wrapped then my sister re-wrapped him Sunday. Not sure how she did it but it slipped so I went up there today and rewrapped it. The wound looks to be slowly healing with the scrubbing it and applying the cut heal on it and wrapping it. The vet is REALLY adamant about keeping it wrapped some how some way. The greatest deal about the stocking is even if the pads slip (like they did yesterday) the stocking still has it "protected" from the flies (and occasional wasp) that is hanging around. I have no problem changing it every other day (as I feel better about doing it that way). I'm am loving the elastikon tape! The only problem I'm having from keeping the wound moist and such is Slinky's leg (below the wound) is starting to lose hair.

    The lady did ask me why I didn't have her take care of Slinky and I simply told her it was because the vet wanted it wrapped. She started to question me, I kept my response short and sweet and told her she could ask the vet if she wanted. Then I changed to topic to something else and it wasn't brought up again.

    Around Slinky's wound it looks to be getting smooth and healing-like. Yet the middle is slightly protruded. I will have pictures tonight from before I left and when my sister took care of him. I am still paying off the vet -sigh- (yes, I'm that poor, LOL!) and next time I see him with a check I will be asking about some proud flesh stuff (just in case I need it), though he told me that the cut heal should help eliminate any proud flesh......I can't afford to have him come back out, that's another $200 charge.
    Here are some pictures:
    Day 9
    Without flash


    With flash:


    Day 10. the bandage slipped after being on for 4 hrs, was "open" for approx. 12 hrs.



    Day 11 - Vet told me to try a new bandage. For day 10, wound was washed with betadine and coated with Cut Heal. And left upwrapped

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    Day 11 - Con't



    Day 13 - I was out of town so my sister changed Slinky's pad from it being on for 2 days consecutively.
    Not clean:


    Cleaned up:


    I changed the bandage today because it had slipped. His leg was swollen so we're going to go for a short walk in the morning and cold hose it. I forgot to take pictures for today (day 14).

    July 28
    But after enclosing Slinky's wound for a few days, it's starting to look kinda proud fleshy to me. I will be posting pictures tonight of what it looks like. Last time I showed the pictures to the vet (July 22) he swore up and down that there wasn't any proud flesh present. So far I like the new bandaging techniques with the tape and all. I am really down because I know this wound will not heal right if there is proud flesh. The way the wound is looking I am wondering if it could be treated topically or if he really does need to come chop it off! I am more than sure he'd want to chop it off because he can charge for it . This wound seems to be a never ending expense!!
    So.......I told my vet I was coming to visit him tomorrow at his clinic and I am going to show him the pictures. I took my time tonight and read through the testimonials about Equiade I looked at all the pictures and "unfortunately" without my vet even seeing the pictures yet I strongly BELIEVE my horse has proud flesh!! I swear it looks like most of those pictures online. I will show you guys tonight when I get home and get them uploaded. Tomorrow when I see him the first question out of my mouth may be "Do you have Equaide?" LOL! Seriously if not, I will be getting some ASAP!

    day 13
    when my sister cared for it
    unclean:


    clean


    day 16 - pictures that had me "concerned"
    uncleaned


    cleaned:
    before walk:




    after walk


    July 30, 2010
    I went to visit the vet yesterday and show him the pictures of day 16 as those were the pictures that were starting to concern me as proud flesh. The vet told me that for the wound being 2 weeks old and the small problems we’ve had with bandaging, that the wound looks very good all things considering. He also mentioned that I was doing a very good job of caring for the wound and following his directions. When I questioned about proud flesh and the little “island of wound” that has separated itself from the rest he said, the little portion in the middle was where the tendon was degloved has caused the section to break off from it moving. But everything was fine about the way it looked in the picture since there were not any holes or tears in the separation places. In regards to proud flesh, he said that proud flesh is pretty much going to form since it is over grown granulated tissue. With the pictures he said that the wound does not look proud-fleshy at this moment in time BUT what does concern him is that the wound is protruding. He said that could become proud flesh if not taken care off. I asked him if he had heard of or worked with Equiade. He said he had but it was pretty expensive and that since the protruding skin wasn’t very massive he would rather give me a cheaper alternative to treating it. I told him I was concerned about Slinky losing hair around his leg and also the large amount of puss that was in the bandage. He informed me about the puss, stating that they were macrophages that eat dead cells (I think I remembered that correctly) so he didn’t care how much puss came out of the wound.

    The new “plan of action” for Slinky’s wound is
    - to clean with betadine and water
    - apply 3 coats of Cut Heal (let each coat dry before applying next)
    - apply Vaseline around outside of wound
    - apply 2 full “dustings” of Wonder Dust on wound
    - wrap as normal, leave bandaged in place as long as it doesn’t slip

    I was asking him if Slinky could still go on walks because he’s getting pretty wound up. He said starting next week I could ride him (at a walk) down to the local park and back because he wants him to get out and get the edge off. He was explaining to me that with the walking he wants that tendon to still be usable so that will help. He said to keep the bandage on him while I ride then to come back and change it again. He reminded me that I was doing a good job with caring for Slinky’s wound and to not give up hope and in 2 more weeks to come back and show him pictures of his leg. Once again he was insistent about keeping the bandage on for as long as it could stay on for without slipping. He also said as long as I keep an eye on the wound, caring for it will get easier and easier.
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    Today is day 18. First off I can’t believe it’s been 2 weeks, I swear it feels like an eternity since this injury happened. LOL!! And I believe Slinky is starting to crawl of his skin because even though in the past if he’s been off for a while, he’s at least been able to be turned out and let loose. My poor barrel racing pony is almost dragging me around the barn. Today when I was waiting to use the wash rack after I un-wrapping his leg, something spooked Slinky and he bolted which caught me off guard and he spun around in circle and jerked me forward! I couldn’t help but laugh because he’s been looking for a way to expel his pent up energy. Though he slightly held up his leg while jumping around not wanting to use it too much, I’m sure it kinda hurt to jerk it around. Then something else happened to set him off and he dragged me a foot of so as he tried to bolt off. Once again I couldn’t help but laugh and told him “Don’t worry next week we’ll go down to the park a few times a week”. Slinky’s also getting a belly from not doing much of anything. :grin:

    Anyways on to the pictures….

    day 18
    unclean:


    After applying cut heal and Vaseline, with flash.


    Inside of leg:


    Outside of leg:


    Oh yeah, the vet estimates another month until full recovery.

    Even though the WonderDust has seemed to help, I will be ordering some Equiade on Thursday.

    Here is day 21:
    I swear, when I took off the wrap Slinky's wound smelled like DEATH. I wanted to throw up.


    Cleaned off:


    Outside:


    Inside:


    For those that have used Equiade before, see how in the last picture the wound is still protruded from the wound site? Is the Equiade supposed to "kill" all that and make it level with the wound site again?

    Day 24:
    Unclean


    Clean


    Inside


    Outside


    Day 27 - Cared for by my sister because I was out of town for my b-day. I told her to just put Cut Heal on a re-wrap since Equaide was delivered at my house. :grin:
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    The vet okay'd riding him at a walk/trot for 15-20 mins but trying to keep Slinky like that really wasn't doing anything for him. He was still full of energy. So, I've been turning him loose on the lunge line and letting him walk/trot/buck, **** and what ever he wants to do for a little bit then I have him trot around. He's came back sound and and trots/lopes in big circles fine. I really can't believe it's been 30 days already! Dang how times flies. I'm eger to see what the Equaide does. Though today I saw a flash of red because Slinky moved while I was applying it with the brush and made me spill some of it. Grrrrrr. So, I think I have only 1.5oz instead of 2 oz. -sigh- Either way, Slinky's in great spirits and is doing fine. I'm happy!

    Day 30 - Looked pretty good. Equaide was applied today. We'll see what it looks like on day 32.


    Inside


    Outside


    August 12, 2010
    Thanks guys! I've been letting Slinky "play around" on the lunge line. Pretty much letting him do what ever he feels like doing for a few minutes then he settles down. The first day he almost went bonkers but after a few rears and bucks he settled down, then today I suppose he did a little too much yesterday and just wanted to walk/trot around for a bit. He loped some (in a controlled manner) around the barrels on the lunge line, it was totally cute! When we were done I put him in the round pen and he walked around very calm and enjoyed hanging out while my sister rode her horse. When she was in the big arena loping circles Slinky tried to get excited (started shaking his head) but I told him to quit it so he went back to aimlessly walking around the round pen. He seems to be a MUCH happier horse now that he's getting out and being able to "be a horse" for a little bit. I know the vet said to keep him walking but it was impossible with him crawling out of his skin. He was becoming so stressed he started rubbing his mane hair out (which I'm very ticked about because he obviously chose the middle of his mane to take out). Tomorrow I'll get to see what his leg looks like after the first Equaide application. Also I think now since I'm using the Equaide, vet wrap, and tape I can probably do away with the Redi-Grip stocking and maybe go back to using a bandage for pressure bandaging. Key word is maybe. Thank you all for the kind words, support, prayer, and advice through all of this! It has been extremely helpful.
    Wow! I am certainly impressed with what the Equaide has done so far.

    Here's day 32


    Outside:


    Inside - started weeping from him moving around so I had to dry it again before applying the Equaide


    Another view to show how much the Equaide has made the proud flesh recede


    On another good note! I got to ride Slinky today. :smilie: And also the lady who's been trying to boss me around about Slinky's leg, I had her come over to look at it. Her only comment was "Da*n! What's the name of that stuff?! His leg looks GREAT!! Did it shrink?" LOL!!


    Here is day 34. I am certainly still in awe about this product!

    Unclean:


    Clean:


    Inside:


    Outside: I am AMAZED that the Equaide has pretty much got all the proud flesh gone and the wound level to the hair line!!!!! With only FOUR days of using it. I used Wonder Dust and Cut Heal for a week and never got this far so quickly.
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    Here is Day 36. It's neat to see the edges healing. Slinky is sound from doing roll back in the round pen yesterday. Today he was trotting around on the lunge line and loping circles. I also let him lope around the barrels on the lunge line which he seemed VERY happy to be doing. LOL At first he was loping around all nice and when I had him lope around the barrel, he got totally into it. It was so funny. He's really in good spirits and seems way less depressed now that he's getting out frequently. :smilie:

    front view:


    close up to show healing edges:


    inside view:


    outside view:


    whole leg:


    Day 40! The edges closing!






    Day 42






    Compare:


    Thank you guys soooooooooooo much!!!!! The vet is VERY surprised how well the wound is looking. :grin: Also, I paid my remaining balance which made me sooooooo very happy to be done with my bill.

    Here is day 44






    Day 47


    Inside


    Outside


    August 27. 2010
    Thanks y'all for the continuous encouraging words! It is great because even though some times the wound looks the same size to me I can tell it's obviously shrinking. Today instead of putting two 3x8 telfa pads together side-by-side to make them 6"wide, I was able to use one and cover the wound with the 3" side with a little room to spare. I was so excited!! I get to save a little bit of money now, hahaha! A little less tape, less vet wrap, and one less telfa pad each changing. I have a little less than 1/2 jar of Equaide and when I get a little spare change may just order another jar.

    I will have to take some pictures of his leg but I think I'm seeing some scar tissue where the injury is healing. Is this normal? Also my friend (one who was bossing me around) is saying that Slinky seems pretty stiff/sore in his hind end. When I asked the vet about this on Tuesday (I showed him a video of me w/t/c on Slinky) he said that he looked okay in the video and he may be appear that way due to the leg still be wrapped and such. As much as I'd like to have him come check Slinky out I know I can't afford that right now. The only time I feel Slinky being "off" is it I ask him to lope in a small circle (turning around a barrel) his hind end leaks out from him failing to use himself. Now...I don't now if that's because he's actually in pain or sore, or if it's because he's used to being hurt on that leg and he's became customary to not using it again.

    When I started re-training him in slow work back in April for the barrels (he was blowing out of his 2nd/3rd barrel) and through time and exercises we figured out he wasn't using himself properly and built up his confidence along with him using himself. Before this injury he was working very, very good! So, I'm wondering if he really is "sore" or if he's just being a baby. Cause he sure can use himself when he spooks!

    Yup, I've decided to back off of him and just take things really slowly. Going to skip out on State and just go spectate in hopes to do it next year maybe!
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