[Lou3]

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

Lou, would it be fair to state your an activist? cause your for horse slaughter? No it would not be! Are you one? I don't know and if I thought so I would pm you, now I hold an out look on you that is best NOT to bring in here.

Think what you like of me - your views on me dont bother me in the slightest, everyone who has taken the time to get to know me properly has a positive view of me. I am not an activist I have never attended a protest march, I have never chained myself to a tree, I have never handed out propaganda leaflets, I have never given an interview on a political matter to a newspaper, radio station, magazine etc.

I have read posts in this site and so have a others, you bringing up activist, terrorists pointing your finger in a way where your crafty at at it..., now that is not right at all. I have refrained from getting into issues like the thread that is locked and made one comment and rhat comment was my vision.. This is a horse site and this is horse news, Is he an activist? yes he is cause he is ACTING, I do not act at all, nor does Lynda, unless you want to call working at a rescue, helping horses and foals get a home away from the slaughter plants.

there are many threads on similar matters already open - and active and all matters with similar information whould be kept within those threads- preferably kept within one single thread.

Willie Nelson has done alot for Farmers, he put on a concert for all money to go to them, to save their land, he is an out spoken activist for a variety of thngs he is an out spoken activist for our Vetrans and I could go on, I know him, I mean I know his music and what he does for I hold the up most admiration for him, he uses his celberity voice to make things happen and why not I would!

an activist is anyone who ACTS, lobbys, just not chattering about what we all do in here, PETA I am not into I lost faith in them when they were caught lining their wallets with money that was to go to the animals, i never got into them cause they were extremists

and here you are saying someone is an activist and no-one has slammed you yet - is that because the people doing the slamming and personal name calling are anti-slaughter and wont attack one of their own? Wait yes - I think it is.

What is going on in Scotland? For real I mean is there any fighting to end horse slaughter? Your for horse slaughter, many on here are, but express temselves with concern over this animal, but you? you? make statements such as this and this says alot about you IMHO.

no thankfully there has not been a move to end horse slaughter in the UK. Yet. PETA does not have half the political strangle hold in the UK that it does in the US.

Your line that you stated "don't kill the pretty horsies" that is sarcasm and hatful and this does show where your heart is at. that is sad very sad....I will not respond to you after this one.

Yes it was sarcasm - but not hateful. My heart is at protecting the WELFARE of animals. Not being ridiculous and trying to ban perfectly humane methods of disposing of excess animals that would otherwise be a drain on the taxpayer and charities. Animal WELFARE is important. Animal RIGHTS is absolutely to be shunned at all costs because its ridiculous and based entirely on false information and the political agenda of a few high up members in animal rights organisations. The reason I made that comment was to highlight how childish and idealistic a view such as that is.

[Stormy'smom]

Originally Posted by Lou3

Think what you like of me - your views on me dont bother me in the slightest, everyone who has taken the time to get to know me properly has a positive view of me. I am not an activist I have never attended a protest march, I have never chained myself to a tree, I have never handed out propaganda leaflets, I have never given an interview on a political matter to a newspaper, radio station, magazine etc.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have never done any of the above. I also don't know what people on here think of me. But hey, everyone has their own opinions and these are only online words, so I don't care what people think of me.

there are many threads on similar matters already open - and active and all matters with similar information whould be kept within those threads- preferably kept within one single thread.

True there are many similar matters already open. But opps, they all get shut down because of things just like what is happening in here. So one is forced to open yet another one.

and here you are saying someone is an activist and no-one has slammed you yet - is that because the people doing the slamming and personal name calling are anti-slaughter and wont attack one of their own? Wait yes - I think it is

I can't argue with this one, but the last sentence is a bit of sarcasim i believe.

no thankfully there has not been a move to end horse slaughter in the UK. Yet. PETA does not have half the political strangle hold in the UK that it does in the US.

Down falls of the US for having the option of freedom of speech. Americans are very opinionated. Government is anything to get the pocket lined with more $$ and votes, probably right in PETA's back pocket.

Yes it was sarcasm - but not hateful. My heart is at protecting the WELFARE of animals. Not being ridiculous and trying to ban perfectly humane methods of disposing of excess animals that would otherwise be a drain on the taxpayer and charities. Animal WELFARE is important. Animal RIGHTS is absolutely to be shunned at all costs because its ridiculous and based entirely on false information and the political agenda of a few high up members in animal rights organisations. The reason I made that comment was to highlight how childish and idealistic a view such as that is.

I think everyone here is for the welfare of animals. Just different views on the answer. It doesn't make anyone less educated, an activist, childish, idealistic, etc etc. It just means they have interpreted the same facts in different ways. You said it your self here, your heart is at protecting the welfare of animals. Your HEART tells you that slaughter is ok. Now look at the other side. Their HEART is telling them that slaughter is not ok. You say that you don't take offense to opinions and only go on facts. Your HEART is not the facts. Your HEART is feelings. It's what all humans go on in anything in life, it's the judge of whats right or wrong. Its not something written in black and white. So for anyone to say that they are not going on feelings, they are going on facts alone I have a hard time believing. Facts are facts, I agree, but who's facts are they and was there a heart involved when they wrote those facts? I don't know for sure but I would say if the person was human I'd have to say yes. Or was the facts written based on how much money one would make by writing those facts? Ya know. If I say slaughter is a good thing, I get a little green lining in my pocket, but if I say it's a bad thing all I get is a pat on the back from the common folks. I think I'll write the facts FOR slaughter being a good thing and take the green lined pocket.

[pocahontas]

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Willie Nelson has done alot for Farmers, he put on a concert for all money to go to them, to save their land, he is an out spoken activist for a variety of thngs he is an out spoken activist for our Vetrans and I could go on, I know him, I mean I know his music and what he does for I hold the up most admiration for him, he uses his celberity voice to make things happen and why not I would!

an activist is anyone who ACTS, lobbys, just not chattering about what we all do in here, PETA I am not into I lost faith in them when they were caught lining their wallets with money that was to go to the animals, i never got into them cause they were extremists

Originally Posted by Lou3

and here you are saying someone is an activist and no-one has slammed you yet - is that because the people doing the slamming and personal name calling are anti-slaughter and wont attack one of their own? Wait yes - I think it is.

Difference I see Lou3 is that you are cruel and accusing, and assuming around it. And you so much say "FACT" in your posts. And YOU have accused people here on HGS as such.

You just said it above "won't attack one of their own" YOUR mindset is on attack.

[Lou3]

Originally Posted by pocahontas

Difference I see Lou3 is that you are cruel and accusing, and assuming around it. And you so much say "FACT" in your posts. And YOU have accused people here on HGS as such.

You just said it above "won't attack one of their own" YOUR mindset is on attack.

My mindset is on DEFENCE. YOU have made unpleasant remarks about me personally and generally behaved in a very provocative manner throughout this thread. I have made no personal comments and stuck to the FACTS of the situation, ignoring all the barbs slung at me by those who know their argument does not stand up under scrutiny. As you have on every other thread when the facts about horse slaughter that dont correspond with your own views are stated. I only state things as fact that ARE fact. I have accused no-one of anything. Re-read my posts a bit more carefully. Being an Activist is not an illegal activity, or even an immoral one - depending on the cause, so I have not accused anyone of doing anything they shouldnt be doing.
Besides which I remember a thread not too long ago where you YOURSELF said you considered yourself an activist because you take "action to help animals" sadly i believe that particular thread was deleted so I cant quite the post and prove this.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Lou3

Besides which I remember a thread not too long ago where you YOURSELF said you considered yourself an activist because you take "action to help animals" sadly i believe that particular thread was deleted so I cant quite the post and prove this.

Nope, wasn't my post
Your FACTS were wrong this time.

[Lou3]

hmm funny how you cant remember it, I remember it clearly because I quoted and replied to that particular post. I guess it doesnt suit you to remember.

[lynnconnor05]

This has gotten so out of control! Whether I agree or disagree, I don't think this is the place for personal attacks. Do that in PMs if you feel the need.

Thank you to anyone who actually shared information on this thread. Regardless of the accusations, there were facts shared about this issue. If you look hard enough between the name calling you might just find them.

Here is a link I found, although somewhat biased, I'll admit: Common Myths about Horse Slaughter

And here is another because I felt that I needed to post one for each side:
https://www.beef.org/uDocs/legislationbanninghorseslaughter.pdf#search='ban%2 0on%20horse%20slaughter'

[Stormy'smom]

OK, here is what I think. I think that all this arguing is getting ridiculous. I don't think anyone is calling anyone anything and pointing fingers. I could be wrong. But what I think is that when someone posts a thread about slaughter for the good, like the "bill" thread a few weeks back, everyone politely backed off and it was discussed cause it was picking the bill for the good of slaughter and what needed to be changed. On the other hand, when someone posts something about what is going on to stop slaughter, be it PETA or whoever, things get sarcastic and out of hand. I think that all everyone is asking is that it stop. Respect anothers views. Every time a thread gets started about slaughter being banned, someone gets in defense, sarcastic, and opinionated. Sometimes I think it is to purposely get a thread shut down or maybe because they feel the need of getting in the last word ( I have a daughter like that). It always starts out about someone doing something to save the horses, it ends with arguing over who's right and who's wrong, when the MODS shut it down cause it gets out of hand and someone gets their feelings hurt.
This thread was started because someone wanted everyone to know what Willie Nelson is doing about horse slaughter. I don't even think that person has said another word since. Let it be about Willie Nelson and not who is right or wrong. And definately without the sarcasim. The sarcasim gets it going everytime and I think that is the main point.

LOU3, not to be rude, but your very first post in this thread was very sarcastic. It's what gets people in defense and what gets the arguements started. It's not the fact that you have your own opinion on this subject. It's the fact that everytime slaughter gets brought up in this way, you always start out sarcastic. People then get defensive and the fight begins.

Pocahontas and EQ, sometimes less is more. Why keep throwing wood on the fire when the object is to put the fire out? If we learn to ignore some people, then those people loose interest in what they are doing. If they can't get the fire started no matter how hard they try, they put the matches down and find something else to burn.

Yes I could have PM'ed each of you privately, but this way everyone knows what was said. I have nothing to hide. Nor anything against anyone. I just want the sarcasim and arguing to stop. I get enough of that here with my teenage girls.


IF all the sarcasim and arguing is stopped, maybe for once a thread wouldn't get shut down and we could keep it all in one thread. It's like I tell my kids, go to your respective corners and SHUT UP or go outside and beat the SH*t outta each other and still get nothing solved. Sometimes less is more. I have my opinion, here it is. enough said. You all know that saying, never argue with an idiot, for no one will be able to tell the difference? I'm not aiming at anyone or trying to offend anyone. I'm just sitting in the back ground and observing. I have already said in this post how I feel about Willie Nelson and I don't care who is backing him private or public. If in his heart he does what he thinks is right, he is a grown man. And by the way, in the end it is not going to be what we the people want, it's going to be what our grand old Gov. want.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Stormy'smom

Pocahontas and EQ, sometimes less is more. Why keep throwing wood on the fire when the object is to put the fire out? If we learn to ignore some people, then those people loose interest in what they are doing. If they can't get the fire started no matter how hard they try, they put the matches down and find something else to burn.

Good point and advice.
Thanks Stormy'smom

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My fire was coming from being accused of things I was not as a person. Being accused several times. Accusing someone of such is just palin nasty to me. And why, cause I speak of and out for animals caught up in unfortunate situations.

I suppose I just wanted the forum and the outside world who reads this to see I am not a terrorist, or an activist(which has been put into an evil context by the accuser)
That is were some my "wood came from"

[nickernnod]

Can you please give me an example of what Willie has "done" for the farmers? I am one, and I haven't seen any of his help ever! I like his music, but that's about it! We own 350 acres. 100 acres corn 100 acres beans, rest hay ground and pasture for the 150 head of cows and 41 head of horses. 20 mares, 3 studs, 3 riders, 15 foals. The reduction of slaughter houses has all but destroyed the horse market for "good" horses with "good" bloodlines. The goodwill shops for horses have pretty much taken over our market.