[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Lou3

. If he is for banning horse slaughter at this point in time he is uneducated on the matter as you have to be completely blind to the negative consequences that a ban would bring about if carried through right now in order to support an immediate stop to horse slaughter.

Being educated is just that. That is the wonderful thing about America. You can get educated and can get information and can choose to believe what is right in your heart and stand up for it.
And one should not be put down or have assumptions put on them, because they choose what is in their heart.
And no one here knows what Willie Nelson has researched and educated himself for this area he chooses to stand up for.

[Peg D]

Pocahontas.
Good point. And very well put.
Even though I am on the other side of the issue from you. As always you make a gracious statement when want your voice heard.

[cowgurly02]

As for the horse hooves, etc...I do know that the college I went to had a farrier program and they buy horse hooves (well legs from the knee down) from the Fort McLeod slaughter plant. The people in the farrier program use them to learn how to trim and shoe first before going onto a live horse. I took a cattle A.I. class in the lab next to the farrier lab and there was a huuuge pile of them inside the building, and the dumpster outside was filled the used one.

[Stormy'smom]

Originally Posted by Lou3

oh yay another celebrity jumping on the idiot wagon without knowing a thing about the situation. Just what we need When will people bother to actually EDUCATE themselves on the real facts of horse slaughter and get away from this "dont kill the pretty horsies" mentality. The world would be a lot better place if people could just be more objective and realistic about things.

Honestly, do you know Willie personally? Do you know for a fact that he is another "idiot" jumping on the wagon? OR is that just another assumption? How do you know he doesn't know everything thier is to know about horses? I was always raised to never judge on hear say and assumptions. How do you know he hasn't done all the research and EDUCATED himself on all aspects of this?
I think the last sentence you wrote was the most important part you said in your post and a lot more people should take heed of those words!! Objective and realistic! Not judgemental and assumption on the basis that they are always right just because they are a vet, went to school for this subject, been to see the place, etc etc etc. This sarcasm and accusations towards everyone who doesn't share anothers believes is an old broken record and needs tossed out the window. That's my own opinion on the whole thing!!! GOOOOOO Willie! He's got the money to help, let him! If he can save a few horses from going to slaughter, who the heck is anyone to put him down for it??? If anything, we need more people like him in this world!

[Lou3]

More animal rights activists trying to get perfectly humane methods of slaughter banned? I dont think we need that at ALL. Very last thing we need in fact.

[Stormy'smom]

OK, I don't want to put a sour taste in anyones mouth, nor is any of this aimed at just one person, because anyone can answer these questions and I just wanna know answers.

How do you know he is an activist? How do you know he isn't just like me or alot of other people who just don't see the right in it? Believe it in our hearts? Prove to me Willie Nelson is an activist and I will believe you whole heartedly. Until then, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he is only doing it because he has done his own research and come to believe his own decision about the whole ordeal. Like I have. He may have a strong passion for horses. He has the funds to help save a few horses so in his eyes he is doing a little bit of gods work and saving a fellow living creature. Please don't condemn him for having a heart and passion in something he believes in.

See I don't believe in following the crowd and believing just because someone tells me I should beleive something. I believe what's in my heart and I know a lot of others who do the same. Everyone will be judged one day and I for one want to be judged for doing what's right in my heart, not what's wrote down as right on a peace of paper, internet, or anything else one can write on. Just because it's in black and white does not mean it has to be true. I don't belong to any org. or activist group, I belong to my heart and soul. I believe in god and his ways of telling me what is right and wrong, not our grand ol country. Give me a paper and give me a heart, I 'll take the heart over the paper anyday.

My main point I want to leave just for the record is that no matter how many times everyone who thinks slaughter is a good thing tells me why it's a good thing, I will still tell you I think it's wrong because my heart tells me it's wrong. I'm not telling you that you are wrong, you have your own beliefs, but no matter how many times everyone else tells me why they think it's wrong, I will not bend! I applaud Willie for doing what he feels is right in his heart and if I had that kind of $$ I would be right beside him doing it too. GOOOOOOOOOOO WILLIE !!!!!!!!!

[pocahontas]

Stormy'smom that was a very wonderful post.

You explained where you were coming from and where your passion and your heart is, along with being kind to other's beliefs here and out in the world.

[lexie51]

Stormy's mom, I agree your post is very good, and I am with you on what you say......Donna

[Lou3]

If he supports activist causes he is an activist. Banning slaughter is NOTHING to do with animal welfare, it is about a few people with an idealistic view of a far from ideal world wanting to "stop killing the pretty horsies" based on their own emotions. That makes it an activist issue - purely for human gain and nothing to do with the welfare of the horses involved. You know what my own emotions tell me I dont like horses being slaughtered, but then my common sense and basic intelligence tell me "hang on - right now its necessary and its not actually cruel in anyway"
The crux of the matter is this - horse slaughter is not cruel and does not cause unnecessary suffering. Therefore no matter how much we dislike it based on emotive matters we have no RIGHT to ban it. To do so would be severely prejudiced against other people's cultures. Do not condemn another persons culture until you have lived a lifetime in their shoes. To do so is the very worst kind of ignorance.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Lou3

If he supports activist causes he is an activist. Banning slaughter is NOTHING to do with animal welfare, it is about a few people with an idealistic view of a far from ideal world wanting to "stop killing the pretty horsies" based on their own emotions. That makes it an activist issue - purely for human gain and nothing to do with the welfare of the horses involved. You know what my own emotions tell me I dont like horses being slaughtered, but then my common sense and basic intelligence tell me "hang on - right now its necessary and its not actually cruel in anyway"
The crux of the matter is this - horse slaughter is not cruel and does not cause unnecessary suffering. Therefore no matter how much we dislike it based on emotive matters we have no RIGHT to ban it. To do so would be severely prejudiced against other people's cultures. Do not condemn another persons culture until you have lived a lifetime in their shoes. To do so is the very worst kind of ignorance.

If he supports activist causes he is an activist.

Just who do you think you are calling people activists out in the world and here on HGS?!!
You have accused me on more than one occasion of being an activist, and you are dead wrong!! Because one has a voice for animals because that is who they are does NOT make them an activist. You, or no one else here knows what I or anyone else does in their lives, what we do and the experiences we have, because we do not say what we do or do not do does not give you the right to decide and accuse.

Therefore no matter how much we dislike it based on emotive matters we have no RIGHT to ban it. To do so would be severely prejudiced against other people's cultures. Do not condemn another persons culture until you have lived a lifetime in their shoes. To do so is the very worst kind of ignorance

Your calling the kettle black here. Your emotive matters are what is causing you to accuse and assume others. "Do not condem" others Lou3 for another persons walk of life, beliefs, and experience here in America, and on HGS! And yes, that is the worst kind of ignorance.
One word of advice if you are becoming a vet, open your eyes up to the world. At 22 yrs old, you have alot more yet to see and experience before you can say it is so.
Until you talk with Willie Nelson and all the other people you have accused as activists, and therefore if they are an activists they are a terrorist(YOUR WORDS) I really suggest you say nothing.
One day you may have a Libel and Defamination suit on you.