Why would you do it?

Chester · 07-04-2008, 04:03 AM

Rummaging I found myself on someones Stud site.

They are standing a 2yo colt, with no record and in my eyes ugly, for the great fee of $300. It isn't even a 2yo yet.

It has no show record, if they try to break it they may find it would be better suited to a bucking string. They do have their mares shown on their pages, none of which I would be putting in MY paddock. Too many conformation faults.

They also offer horse breaking, training, travelling. The pictures of them riding look worse than Sam on a horse.

Their picture of their "Stallion" shows a horse that is seriously lacking in farrier care. (Wonders if they can't pick it's feet up for a farrier or if they don't know that farriers are part of owning a horse

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Why would anyone in their half a right mind even think that breeding to their "Stallion" or entrusting their horse to their care would be a good plan?

Am I just fussy? Whilst I know the perfectly conformed horse has yet to be born why would you breed such badly conformed horses?

shaiarabs · 07-04-2008, 04:12 AM

nope your not fussy, BUT.. you have the eye to see these things, come dont have the eye or the learning capabilities

Finallyownhorse · 07-04-2008, 04:24 AM

Just because you can build a web site, doesn't mean you should be breeding horses. I have seen some pretty bad ones too, and I don't even have the "eye" to see good horses. But these were so bad, even I could see they were bad.

County · 07-04-2008, 04:27 AM

Well since we only have your word to go on we have to assume its all by your standards. Why? Because their not the same standards yours are, that may be a good thing from both sides and it may be a bad thing from both sides we really don't know.

As far as breeding a two year old stallion I'm a big beleiver in doing so to find out what he can produce. So often I see people stick a bunch of money and training into a stallion then find out a few years later he can't produce decent foals. Then they keep breeding with him anyway because they have so much money invested in him. Makes more sense to me to breed them at two and if they don't like the foals geld him and move on to the next stallion to promote.

Buckshot · 07-04-2008, 04:53 AM

I don't disagree with breeding a two year old stallion--but only if he has the bloodlines and conformation and potential.

However, many less experienced horse people seem to think, "Hey, he's got fuzzy plums, he's cute, how 'bout we breed him?" And how can we help prevent stuff like that happening? By not breeding to anything that's not quality.

County · 07-04-2008, 04:58 AM

But its the same old thing round and round. Who gets to decide " quality " not everyone will agree what it is thank goodness.

Finallyownhorse · 07-04-2008, 05:11 AM

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But its the same old thing round and round. Who gets to decide " quality " not everyone will agree what it is thank goodness.

I think I should decide.

Everyone send me your pictures and I'll let you know if you can breed it or not.

For those that are not sure. I am joking.

County · 07-04-2008, 05:12 AM

LOL Thats exactly the way so many people actually think and why I can never take these deals very seriously. I've yet to ever meet a person that didn't feel they had a good reason to breed the horse they were breeding. All otherr opinions are very meaningless.

Buckshot · 07-04-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by County

But its the same old thing round and round. Who gets to decide " quality " not everyone will agree what it is thank goodness.

Actually, I believe that "quality" is something that can be identified. A horse that has good or exceptional bloodlines and conformation is quality in mine--and many horse peoples' eyes.

However....to contradict myself, people wouldn't be marketing unproven, low-quality stallions if people wouldn't pay to have a foal out of them.

But why? Regrettably, I don't know a whole lot about the breeding world... but why would someone pay to have a foal out of something, when for a few hundred more dollars, they could have something much better?

County · 07-04-2008, 05:15 AM

Because some people don't care about quality the price is all that matters. Not just horses but anything, why do some people buy an older car? House? what ever. We all think differantly. And thats a very good thing.

07-04-2008, 04:03 AM	#1
Chester Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: inland of the coral sea Posts: 9,195 Images: 726	Why would you do it? Rummaging I found myself on someones Stud site. They are standing a 2yo colt, with no record and in my eyes ugly, for the great fee of $300. It isn't even a 2yo yet. It has no show record, if they try to break it they may find it would be better suited to a bucking string. They do have their mares shown on their pages, none of which I would be putting in MY paddock. Too many conformation faults. They also offer horse breaking, training, travelling. The pictures of them riding look worse than Sam on a horse. Their picture of their "Stallion" shows a horse that is seriously lacking in farrier care. (Wonders if they can't pick it's feet up for a farrier or if they don't know that farriers are part of owning a horse) Why would anyone in their half a right mind even think that breeding to their "Stallion" or entrusting their horse to their care would be a good plan? Am I just fussy? Whilst I know the perfectly conformed horse has yet to be born why would you breed such badly conformed horses? __________________ Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI "We're all members of the outback club, we don't back down and we don't give up" Lee Kernaghan "Good friends are worth more than money any day" Adam Brand Is it full moon time again? Did the cereal truck overturn and fruitloops got spilt? Last edited by Chester; 07-04-2008 at 04:58 AM.

07-04-2008, 04:12 AM	#2
shaiarabs Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Manjimup Western Australia Posts: 491	nope your not fussy, BUT.. you have the eye to see these things, come dont have the eye or the learning capabilities __________________ Life comes from and is sustained by Life. It is the undeniable Order of Things. We didn't create it, but by birth we are bound to it.

07-04-2008, 04:24 AM	#3
Finallyownhorse Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southeastern South Dakota Posts: 1,848 Images: 157	Just because you can build a web site, doesn't mean you should be breeding horses. I have seen some pretty bad ones too, and I don't even have the "eye" to see good horses. But these were so bad, even I could see they were bad. __________________ Vanna, 21 year old Appaloosa mare Ace, 23 year old Solid Paint gelding Sammy, 10 year old Mustapaint

07-04-2008, 04:53 AM	#5
Buckshot Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Michiana Posts: 5,095 Images: 24 Blog Entries: 18	I don't disagree with breeding a two year old stallion--but only if he has the bloodlines and conformation and potential. However, many less experienced horse people seem to think, "Hey, he's got fuzzy plums, he's cute, how 'bout we breed him?" And how can we help prevent stuff like that happening? By not breeding to anything that's not quality. __________________ Say ya to da U.P., eh? HGS's official Birdbrain

07-04-2008, 04:27 AM	#4
County Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,117	Well since we only have your word to go on we have to assume its all by your standards. Why? Because their not the same standards yours are, that may be a good thing from both sides and it may be a bad thing from both sides we really don't know. As far as breeding a two year old stallion I'm a big beleiver in doing so to find out what he can produce. So often I see people stick a bunch of money and training into a stallion then find out a few years later he can't produce decent foals. Then they keep breeding with him anyway because they have so much money invested in him. Makes more sense to me to breed them at two and if they don't like the foals geld him and move on to the next stallion to promote.

07-04-2008, 04:58 AM	#6
County Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,117	But its the same old thing round and round. Who gets to decide " quality " not everyone will agree what it is thank goodness.

07-04-2008, 05:12 AM	#8
County Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,117	LOL Thats exactly the way so many people actually think and why I can never take these deals very seriously. I've yet to ever meet a person that didn't feel they had a good reason to breed the horse they were breeding. All otherr opinions are very meaningless.

07-04-2008, 05:15 AM	#10
County Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,117	Because some people don't care about quality the price is all that matters. Not just horses but anything, why do some people buy an older car? House? what ever. We all think differantly. And thats a very good thing.