Why breed? Why buy? Just clone!!

BornToRide · 03-13-2006, 02:27 PM

dont u think the thought of say a horse that passed away was back because you cloned him wouldnt that be scary ?i think it would be a little creepy

Top Dun · 03-13-2006, 02:30 PM

My opposition is not so much the cloning, but the the fact that the clone is not exactly the same as the original. Basically I think of it this way. A clone is more like a Full sibling. The original MAY have been the great performance horse, but the clone may not be. So the clone has the same genes, but that dosen't mean the clone is going to be the awesome perfommance horse the original was. Basically I feel that if you are going to clone a gelding to then own his genetics in a stallion you will have to 're-proove" his perfromance ability. I don't think the clone can be considered as good as the originial until they prove it in performance.

SalemsMom · 03-14-2006, 07:52 AM

To me,maybe I'm old fashioned here,but I think we are playing with something better left alone, we are not god.

Friesiangirl · 03-14-2006, 08:08 AM

No point. No point! They won't be the same, they would have to go threw EVERY little thing and have ALL the SAME experiances to be the same, and even then, CHAOS my dear friends, CHAOS. Unless it was the most well put togeather horse in the world and you wanted it up at stud a bit longer, there is no point. You will get something that looks the same, but looks aren't everything.

horsesR4life · 03-14-2006, 08:12 AM

there is no stopping science. in a way it is interesting to watch how we have developed sooo quickly. cloning can have its advanatages (clone organs so body wont reject it). but it is also odd that we can do such a thing, its something that you read in a make believe book. :S

Heavenly Jumper · 03-14-2006, 09:02 AM

I always wonder where clones get their souls...since we forced them into existance...

Jenje! · 03-14-2006, 09:41 AM

Yuck. The whole thing gives me the creeps. And when you factor it into the breeding game, it gets worse; the whole idea of breeding is to better a given breed, not reproduce exact copies (in theory) of what we already have.

*shudders*

mtroika · 03-15-2006, 12:50 AM

Wow thats allot of money. But like I have said in many threads I WILL be cloning my arabian gelding Troika one day when I have the money, I am going to have his DNA or whatever they need saved.

MyBabyTex · 03-15-2006, 02:00 AM

OMG! WOW!

I am SO going to do this! Cloning animals is really great, I'm so glad we are screwing with nature like this.

Only 360 thou? That's nothing. Some horses are selling for 16 million. 360 000 is pocket change.

I can't wait til us poh folk can afford these high falutin clones.

On a serious note... cloning is ridiculous. I can't believe it is even legal. We should not be messing with nature like that.

The point to breeding is to try to have a foal better then the sire or dam. You strive to create the perfect horse. Cloning a pretty great horse takes away from the purpose of breeding. And is just wrong. IMHO.

MyBabyTex · 03-15-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyJumper

I always wonder where clones get their souls...since we forced them into existance...

It brings about the whole argument that there is no god and there are no souls. Because if God is the creator of the universe, and gives every living creature (or just humans, as some people think) a soul, then how is it possible to clone? You are going against god (and nature) by creating something in a petrie dish.

What about when they clone babies? When they are normal and complete, with personalities, spiritual beliefs, and 'souls', will that not cement the notion that god is a man made creation? That there is no actual soul?

I'm not saying anything against religion, just stating facts. This cloning business is not good no matter how you look at it.

03-13-2006, 02:27 PM	#11
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03-13-2006, 02:30 PM	#12
Top Dun Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,706 Images: 183 Blog Entries: 1	My opposition is not so much the cloning, but the the fact that the clone is not exactly the same as the original. Basically I think of it this way. A clone is more like a Full sibling. The original MAY have been the great performance horse, but the clone may not be. So the clone has the same genes, but that dosen't mean the clone is going to be the awesome perfommance horse the original was. Basically I feel that if you are going to clone a gelding to then own his genetics in a stallion you will have to 're-proove" his perfromance ability. I don't think the clone can be considered as good as the originial until they prove it in performance. __________________ Cattle Producers DO NOT want NAIS: When asked if they thought NAIS should be a mandatory system requiring all U.S. cattle producers to participate, 21.22% of respondents said yes, 50.32% said no, and 28.46% were undecided.

03-14-2006, 08:08 AM	#14
Friesiangirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Monroe, OR Posts: 9,547 Images: 192 Blog Entries: 22	No point. No point! They won't be the same, they would have to go threw EVERY little thing and have ALL the SAME experiances to be the same, and even then, CHAOS my dear friends, CHAOS. Unless it was the most well put togeather horse in the world and you wanted it up at stud a bit longer, there is no point. You will get something that looks the same, but looks aren't everything. __________________ *Life is like cheese and fine wine- it gets better everyday!* Le Concurs Complet, C'est ma countre-drogue I've been snowballed!

03-14-2006, 09:02 AM	#16
Heavenly Jumper Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yokosuka, Japan Posts: 15,467 Images: 1323 Blog Entries: 273	I always wonder where clones get their souls...since we forced them into existance... __________________ OMG I'm actually IN JAPAN! like, right now! .'~'. epi tan e epi tas .'~'. I've been SNOWBALLED X10!I have been NOEL’ed and Blessed In His Name

03-14-2006, 09:41 AM	#17
Jenje! Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,840 Images: 910 Blog Entries: 27	Yuck. The whole thing gives me the creeps. And when you factor it into the breeding game, it gets worse; the whole idea of breeding is to better a given breed, not reproduce exact copies (in theory) of what we already have. shudders __________________ ♥ Jen Zombies, Monsters &Ooze (a blog) That love is all there is, is all we know of love. - E. Dickinson *** VA Allure * BBA First Page * Instead Of Flowers ***

03-14-2006, 07:52 AM	#13
SalemsMom Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,780 Images: 6	To me,maybe I'm old fashioned here,but I think we are playing with something better left alone, we are not god.

03-14-2006, 08:12 AM	#15
horsesR4life Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,175 Images: 125	there is no stopping science. in a way it is interesting to watch how we have developed sooo quickly. cloning can have its advanatages (clone organs so body wont reject it). but it is also odd that we can do such a thing, its something that you read in a make believe book. :S

03-15-2006, 12:50 AM	#18
mtroika Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Kamloops, BC!! Love it! :) Posts: 2,484 Images: 290	Wow thats allot of money. But like I have said in many threads I WILL be cloning my arabian gelding Troika one day when I have the money, I am going to have his DNA or whatever they need saved. __________________ I have been Snowballed MC Blue Star Stables www.mcbluestarstable.com/website

03-15-2006, 02:00 AM	#19
MyBabyTex Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,194 Images: 66	OMG! WOW! I am SO going to do this! Cloning animals is really great, I'm so glad we are screwing with nature like this. Only 360 thou? That's nothing. Some horses are selling for 16 million. 360 000 is pocket change. I can't wait til us poh folk can afford these high falutin clones. On a serious note... cloning is ridiculous. I can't believe it is even legal. We should not be messing with nature like that. The point to breeding is to try to have a foal better then the sire or dam. You strive to create the perfect horse. Cloning a pretty great horse takes away from the purpose of breeding. And is just wrong. IMHO.

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