Who's your daddy!

noreins · 11-06-2009, 06:58 PM

Okay I know this is going to bother a few people since I only have pictures of one of the two possible fathers... but since this stud is the one I am hoping to buy... I want to know if ya'll think this filly is his?

Her dam is a dapple grey appendix (VERY short because she was a twin) And has a very very pretty dished face. No white markings that I can think of

Meet Beauty... her only white is a star

Her sire is either "Snoopy", a stocky sorrel son of Statutory, his only white is a star. If she is his this will be his first foal

Snoopy...

the other possible father is "Bailey" by Pending Excitement
A taller leaner bay with a lot of white on his legs and a wide blaze. He has funky hocks and a bit of a roman nose but other than that he is PERFECT and has thrown amazing babies that are excellent movers.

So what do you think are the odds that Snoopy is the sire???

**my friends horses by the way**
she had crappy fences at the time hence the accidental breeding

cornhuskergirl · 11-06-2009, 08:12 PM

To help you with the question -- since color is going to be the best clue here -- we need to know what color the dam was before she greyed out. This should be traceable on her AQHA papers (even if they changed the papers down the road to show that she was grey).

For example, if the mare was sorrel/chestnut under the grey then crossing her with another chestnut (the sire that you are most interested in) would produce a chestnut that would stay chestnut 50% of the time and a chestnut that would go gray the remaining 50% of the time ... Assuming that the weanling is not chestnut (which he doesn't look, but my monitor has completely stopped showing color at the moment), this would eliminate this pairing ...

Depending on what the base color is under the grey, we may not be so lucky to be able to eliminate one or the other sire just based on color genetics.

So, I would strongly recommend trying to find out mommy's base color as the first step.

noreins · 11-06-2009, 08:14 PM

The mommy was a bay

I already knew that, I remember when she was a foal herself. The baby is graying out as well but on not 100% on her base coat color?

cornhuskergirl · 11-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Shoot -- that was the answer I was afraid you were going to give. With a bay (grey) x chestnut and a bay (grey) x bay, you have all of the colors open to you at the moment for the baby's color --> chestnut, bay or black (with of course, the 50% greying option on any of these colors). So looking at the color of the little guy really does not give us any clues here on the "daddy" issue.

(I am also assuming in all of this that you don't happen to know anything about red factor or agouti on these horses, right?)

Shannon · 11-06-2009, 08:25 PM

Well since they're both black based, we really have no way of telling who is the dad. Wish it were that simple!

noreins · 11-06-2009, 08:28 PM

Anyone have any guesses based on conformation of the sire option given?

and no i dont bree sorry

ACCphotography · 11-06-2009, 08:29 PM

We might be able to guess, but only if we could see the dam and the other sire.

Shannon · 11-06-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noreins

Anyone have any guesses based on conformation of the sire option given?

Those aren't great pictures to judge conformation off of, and without seeing the mare and other stallion it's a total cr@pshoot to guess

noreins · 11-06-2009, 08:32 PM

Okay I will take more and better picture tomorrow, I promise! So PLEASE check back?

cornhuskergirl · 11-06-2009, 08:55 PM

I completely agree with everyone else that without more pictures, we are going to be playing a guesstimation game ...

The two things (and completely non-scientific) that I would like at in a case like this are: to string test the baby. If the baby string tested for example at 16.1, it would point me more towards the lanky bay as the dad. Short x short are less likely (although not impossible) to produce tall. But this is complicated a little bit in this case, because we do not know how much of the mare's height is based on pure genetic potential and how much of it is based on any long-term effects of stunting due to the twinning issue. And (b) in addition to the general conformation shots of the horses, I would also look for any areas that really stood out in either of the two sires, the dam and the colt. For example, I believe (and again, it is only my personal belief) that pasterns are one of the areas that tend to be passed down through generations, especially if there is anything "funky" or "off" with them. So, if the baby has long front pasterns for example (actually can't really see the pasterns in the photo here very clearly -- so just using it as a for example), then I would tend to look at which of the sire's had this trait (as long as it was not coming from mommy).

I am very interested (!!!) to see the pictures of potential baby daddy #2 over the weekend ...

11-06-2009, 08:25 PM	#5
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 10,833 Images: 1017 Blog Entries: 63	Well since they're both black based, we really have no way of telling who is the dad. Wish it were that simple! __________________ Mariah - 15 year old KWPN Dutch WB mare I ride earthquakes like I ride horses, often and with talent. And that's only ONE of my talents.

11-06-2009, 08:29 PM	#7
ACCphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 10,270 Images: 1	We might be able to guess, but only if we could see the dam and the other sire. __________________ ACC 10,000 posts!!! (achieved on 11/09/09) First green star!!! (achieved on 01/17/09) Mod's nickname for me: "That's Not the Color!" (presented on 04/01/09) "We're not going to Guam are we?"

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11-06-2009, 08:12 PM	#2
cornhuskergirl Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nebraska Posts: 330 Images: 15	To help you with the question -- since color is going to be the best clue here -- we need to know what color the dam was before she greyed out. This should be traceable on her AQHA papers (even if they changed the papers down the road to show that she was grey). For example, if the mare was sorrel/chestnut under the grey then crossing her with another chestnut (the sire that you are most interested in) would produce a chestnut that would stay chestnut 50% of the time and a chestnut that would go gray the remaining 50% of the time ... Assuming that the weanling is not chestnut (which he doesn't look, but my monitor has completely stopped showing color at the moment), this would eliminate this pairing ... Depending on what the base color is under the grey, we may not be so lucky to be able to eliminate one or the other sire just based on color genetics. So, I would strongly recommend trying to find out mommy's base color as the first step.

11-06-2009, 08:24 PM	#4
cornhuskergirl Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nebraska Posts: 330 Images: 15	Shoot -- that was the answer I was afraid you were going to give. With a bay (grey) x chestnut and a bay (grey) x bay, you have all of the colors open to you at the moment for the baby's color --> chestnut, bay or black (with of course, the 50% greying option on any of these colors). So looking at the color of the little guy really does not give us any clues here on the "daddy" issue. (I am also assuming in all of this that you don't happen to know anything about red factor or agouti on these horses, right?)

11-06-2009, 08:55 PM	#10
cornhuskergirl Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nebraska Posts: 330 Images: 15	I completely agree with everyone else that without more pictures, we are going to be playing a guesstimation game ... The two things (and completely non-scientific) that I would like at in a case like this are: to string test the baby. If the baby string tested for example at 16.1, it would point me more towards the lanky bay as the dad. Short x short are less likely (although not impossible) to produce tall. But this is complicated a little bit in this case, because we do not know how much of the mare's height is based on pure genetic potential and how much of it is based on any long-term effects of stunting due to the twinning issue. And (b) in addition to the general conformation shots of the horses, I would also look for any areas that really stood out in either of the two sires, the dam and the colt. For example, I believe (and again, it is only my personal belief) that pasterns are one of the areas that tend to be passed down through generations, especially if there is anything "funky" or "off" with them. So, if the baby has long front pasterns for example (actually can't really see the pasterns in the photo here very clearly -- so just using it as a for example), then I would tend to look at which of the sire's had this trait (as long as it was not coming from mommy). I am very interested (!!!) to see the pictures of potential baby daddy #2 over the weekend ...