[Helpahorse]

thanks for the advice!! It REALLY helps!!

[tbtrainer]

Most racehorses are trained to stand...it is just a matter of other things going on... like they always want to go forward! Back to basics, check teeth, etc...

Also, just a note on race horses going faster when there is more pressure on the reins... not really the case, although racehorses are trained to "run into the bridle"...

Most racehorses are galloped with a tight rein, because they are pulling against the rider to go faster... they are not trained to go faster when you pull back on the reins... although when asked for top speed the rider will gather the reins up, because the riders position changes... they shove on the horses neck urging them on.

[Katsportsfreak]

Originally Posted by tbtrainer

Most racehorses are trained to stand...it is just a matter of other things going on... like they always want to go forward! Back to basics, check teeth, etc...

Also, just a note on race horses going faster when there is more pressure on the reins... not really the case, although racehorses are trained to "run into the bridle"...

Most racehorses are galloped with a tight rein, because they are pulling against the rider to go faster... they are not trained to go faster when you pull back on the reins... although when asked for top speed the rider will gather the reins up, because the riders position changes... they shove on the horses neck urging them on.

Oh my bad maybe its just my horse. Because when I trot him if I try a half hault to try an slow is pace he will shoot off into a full gallop.

Originally Posted by Helpahorse

It's cool that you asked that because just yesterday I tried. She didn't move. She through her head up in the air and didn't understand.

Ya I was curious if it was just my OTTB or not lol glade to know its not. Ya we are working on that to.

[kellidahorsegirl]

Your horse ^ prolly runs off when you half halt because he hasn't learned to give to the pressure of contact yet. He's not really running off either, but more resisting the pressure you're applying and becomes strung out, which in turn is a 'faster' gait.

and fyi katsport...I was the one that said the thigh thing,,,I even checked HAHA I know scary But I had to know

And Andi is right about the tightness of reins. Its a concept you'd have to think about BUT the reins aren't being PULLED, the horse is just allowed to 'balance' on them, which makes people think that pulling the reins means go faster. When in reality, they're just shorter, held stronger and the horse is really pulling on the bit. Its time to run

But what I just said about the strung out horse...when you pull and your horse goes faster its just because they don't know what to do and become strung out. They're not REALLY running off...cuz if they were running off, you'd be going a lot faster than a brisk trot

[Katsportsfreak]

Originally Posted by kellidahorsegirl

Your horse ^ prolly runs off when you half halt because he hasn't learned to give to the pressure of contact yet. He's not really running off either, but more resisting the pressure you're applying and becomes strung out, which in turn is a 'faster' gait.

and fyi katsport...I was the one that said the thigh thing,,,I even checked HAHA I know scary But I had to know

And Andi is right about the tightness of reins. Its a concept you'd have to think about BUT the reins aren't being PULLED, the horse is just allowed to 'balance' on them, which makes people think that pulling the reins means go faster. When in reality, they're just shorter, held stronger and the horse is really pulling on the bit. Its time to run

But what I just said about the strung out horse...when you pull and your horse goes faster its just because they don't know what to do and become strung out. They're not REALLY running off...cuz if they were running off, you'd be going a lot faster than a brisk trot

Oh really I didn't know haha well thanks cause it REALLY worked.

As for the pressure thing I kinda get what you mean but trust me it wasn't a brisk trot it was a fully out gallop.

[JBandRio]

You are dealing with very typical OTTB issues that can take a LONG LONG time to deal with.

Have you had her teeth checked? Often they come off the track with terrible teeth if they have been eating high grain/low hay diets - just not enough wear and tear on the teeth to keep them in better balance. It took quite a few floats to get my mare's teeth in good shape due to how horrible they were and her learning new chewing patterns when she finally had free choice grass and hay

But, assuming it's not a physical issue - teeth, bit, your hands - then it just takes time. It takes time doing what you are doing over and over and over, a thousand times a day, a hundred days in a row if you have to. But, if it really does take that long, then your timing isn't quite right

IGNORE her head flinging for a while. That isn't the primary issue, it's a reaction to her truly not understanding what you're asking and habit due to being allowed to do it in her track life.

What is her diet? Turnout?

If you don't have a trainer, it really sounds like one would be very beneficial, and one that has OTTB experience even better. When they are like this they are worse than starting with a blank slate because now you have negative experiences to wipe out in addition to building positive ones.

Just be very very leary of any trainer who wants to slap a flash or crank noseband on her and put her in draw reins to "fix" her head - will backfire, guaranteed.

[willeys bonanza]

I would work with a hackamore or bosal first until she learns how to stop and give to pressure. If you have a round pen i would just work on one rein stops in both directions while riding her. Then with a bosal, or hackamore so you arent in her mouth walk and set your seat down and pull for her to stop, if she walks right through you do a couple of flexing circles, where you bring her head around for a tight circle but keep her circling. Do that both directions once and then ask her to stop, then let her rest. Ask her to walk then set your seat down and stop. Do the circling thing again. Repeat this over and over until she stops, then move on to somehting else.

Make sure when you ask her to stop you sit your seat down as well as pull, that way she will learn to stop from your seat and not just your hands. This will also help when you go back to the bit so when you then ask her to stop you wont have to be in her mouth.
Hope this helps!

[welshysaint]

maybe watch the video in this thread:

Unsoundness In Horses

now, im not saying your horse is unsound, but he mentions OTTBs in it.. also, if you look them up in YouTube, they work with OTTB in most of their videos.. maybe they can help

[stb_chance]

For my ottb I used a fence or wall to teach him how to woah off my voice and seat. At a walk I would ride him strait at the fence and ask him to woah verbally and with my seat right before the fence made him stop (I would only use a safe roundpen or wooden fence or solid wall for this). For this to work you have to keep your horse from going sideways or turning. Using a wall to stop him kept me from having to fight with him to stop. Once he realized that woah means stop, then i would use the verbal command any time i wanted him to stop on the ground or in the saddle. \

Sorry, I think i did a really bad job of explaining this

[Helpahorse]

Originally Posted by stb_chance

For my ottb I used a fence or wall to teach him how to woah off my voice and seat. At a walk I would ride him strait at the fence and ask him to woah verbally and with my seat right before the fence made him stop (I would only use a safe roundpen or wooden fence or solid wall for this). For this to work you have to keep your horse from going sideways or turning. Using a wall to stop him kept me from having to fight with him to stop. Once he realized that woah means stop, then i would use the verbal command any time i wanted him to stop on the ground or in the saddle.

Sorry, I think i did a really bad job of explaining this

That's what I would do! I halted in the corner and at the fence. She's been doing a lot better!