???What's the difference???

Feliche · 12-29-2005, 05:14 PM

Hi!! I have been thinking of getting my horse a maringale--just one question--what's the difference between a flat-standing martingale and a flat-running martingale??

We do jumpers and dressage. Is it a difference between what kind of work or training you are planning to do? Clueless. Please help. Thanks!!

--Megan

Feliche · 12-29-2005, 05:55 PM

Come on guys...please? lol....I see people are busy with Endorphins4u2's thread...kay, I'll chack back later.

JBandRio · 12-29-2005, 06:28 PM

A standing martingale (sm) prevents the horse from having full use of his head, up or down, and is attached to the caveson.

A running martingale (rm) allows the horse full use of his head as long as the reins are slack enough, and because it's "attached" to the reins, it acts on the horse's mouth.

In dressage you should use neither.

For jumpers you will likely want to use a rm. You want the horse to have full use of his head, but you also want to be able to affect him if he starts throwing his head around.

If you were doing hunters you'd use a sm. They are more an apparel item in that discipline.

stockhorse · 12-29-2005, 08:19 PM

The first question would be why do you think your horse needs a martingale?

Just_me · 12-30-2005, 08:13 AM

Standing matingal holds the head down
running maringal is basically attached to the reins but gives the horse its head,it also prevends the horse from throughing his head up.
These are not neccesary made for dressage.
For jumpers a running matingal is better because the horse has his head,standing maringal is ok for low jumps.

horsegent · 12-30-2005, 08:30 AM

Why do you think you need a martingale? Let me know and I'll advise appropriately if you want.

A running martinggale is more commonly used for showjumping. Its to regulate and control the horse's head in the approach to a fence. Its allows freedom of the head and neck in flight as the rider's hands follow the movement of the head down and forward.

A standing martingale is to prevent the horse getting his head above the usual angle of control, thus ensuring that his head is in the best position in the approach to a fence. Its quite commonly used in the US but is not allowed in international show jumping at all.

Its also commonly used on high hill hunting in the UK when jumping solids up hill at speed and when you definitely don't want to get a nose broken by a horse's head!

By the way you can't use them in dressage.

Feliche · 01-03-2006, 06:34 PM

Ok thanks for clearing that up for me!

Well, really I have just been told by a good friend of ours (Who is a very good rider) that it might help...with something...lol he told me this quite awhile ago, and I have decided that whatever it was I don't think I need it much anyway, but I was still curious. Thanks a bunch for telling me! This will be really good for future referance.

--Megan

(Oh, and sorry it took me so long to reply--I have been away recently.

)

luvs2ride79 · 01-03-2006, 09:34 PM

If you do Dressage, don't get either. They are a big no-no. Proper training is what will give you the desired frame for Dressage.

For jumpers, you may need one if your horse pops its head up after the jumps. A standing attaches to the caveson. It doesn't allow the horse's head to go any higher than a certain point. A running has rings that the reins go through. It acts on the horse's mouth/bit by holding the reins below a certain point. A standing is nicer on the horse, but a running allows the rider more freedom to change the head position.

I would ask you trainer which would be best for you and your horse. If you've never used a martingale before and you don't have a trainer at the moment, I would go with a standing. But be warned, martingales can become nasty crutches that you depend on with your horse. The harm they can cause (if not used properly) can takea professional trainer months to undo.

~Barbara

12-29-2005, 06:28 PM	#3
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 22,431 Images: 138 Blog Entries: 12	A standing martingale (sm) prevents the horse from having full use of his head, up or down, and is attached to the caveson. A running martingale (rm) allows the horse full use of his head as long as the reins are slack enough, and because it's "attached" to the reins, it acts on the horse's mouth. In dressage you should use neither. For jumpers you will likely want to use a rm. You want the horse to have full use of his head, but you also want to be able to affect him if he starts throwing his head around. If you were doing hunters you'd use a sm. They are more an apparel item in that discipline. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

01-03-2006, 09:34 PM	#8
luvs2ride79 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 4,035 Images: 26	If you do Dressage, don't get either. They are a big no-no. Proper training is what will give you the desired frame for Dressage. For jumpers, you may need one if your horse pops its head up after the jumps. A standing attaches to the caveson. It doesn't allow the horse's head to go any higher than a certain point. A running has rings that the reins go through. It acts on the horse's mouth/bit by holding the reins below a certain point. A standing is nicer on the horse, but a running allows the rider more freedom to change the head position. I would ask you trainer which would be best for you and your horse. If you've never used a martingale before and you don't have a trainer at the moment, I would go with a standing. But be warned, martingales can become nasty crutches that you depend on with your horse. The harm they can cause (if not used properly) can takea professional trainer months to undo. ~Barbara __________________ "To be an equestrian in the classical sense is not just to be a rider. It is a position in life." --Charles de Kunffy EquineFriends.com**2HotToTrot.com Anti-Slaughter and PROUD! StopHorseSlaughter.com

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Can you tell a difference?	Lindsayanne	Critique My Horse	5	09-07-2005 06:28 PM
Do you know the difference?	Appylvr	Off Topic	11	07-10-2005 01:40 PM
what's the difference?	horse_luvr83	Horse Chat	13	03-31-2005 06:56 AM
is there a difference....	Busterzkool	Horse Chat	6	12-31-2004 04:55 PM
What the difference?	candystand5585	For Kids Only	22	12-28-2004 09:59 PM

12-29-2005, 08:19 PM	#4
stockhorse Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 453 Images: 6	The first question would be why do you think your horse needs a martingale?

12-30-2005, 08:13 AM	#5
Just_me Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: europe-the wide wild world:-) Posts: 2,519 Images: 6	Standing matingal holds the head down running maringal is basically attached to the reins but gives the horse its head,it also prevends the horse from throughing his head up. These are not neccesary made for dressage. For jumpers a running matingal is better because the horse has his head,standing maringal is ok for low jumps.

12-30-2005, 08:30 AM	#6
horsegent Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 696	Why do you think you need a martingale? Let me know and I'll advise appropriately if you want. A running martinggale is more commonly used for showjumping. Its to regulate and control the horse's head in the approach to a fence. Its allows freedom of the head and neck in flight as the rider's hands follow the movement of the head down and forward. A standing martingale is to prevent the horse getting his head above the usual angle of control, thus ensuring that his head is in the best position in the approach to a fence. Its quite commonly used in the US but is not allowed in international show jumping at all. Its also commonly used on high hill hunting in the UK when jumping solids up hill at speed and when you definitely don't want to get a nose broken by a horse's head! By the way you can't use them in dressage.