[rather-b-riding]

Originally Posted by Jenje!

rather-b-riding, the reason people post questions like this here is to learn- in other words, do their homework. So no chastising needed as far as I'm concerned. Of course there will be wingnuts around with any subject, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Understood...I believe the OP posted his website....anyone who had any questions re his methods could've easily went straight there to find the answers..

[Sonny-Dee-Girl]

i've seen that before. It is a sort of hobble training, but can cause injury because the horse can't correct properly. it is supposed to teach the horse to move around on three legs.

I used a similar method to keep my sisters mare from stomping my broken foot last fall. But I always had a hand on a quick release knot to free her if she got crazy. Also, the foot should not be tied so tightly. I allowed the mare to touch the ground with her toe, but not fully weight her foot. It actually worked well, she was unable to slam her weight down on me, and within a few days, she was holding her foot up on her own.

Not my favorite method, but it kept my foot from getting crushed again.

[Beeks]

Another good use for this training, is so you can stake a horse out. It is very handy when riding in the hills or mountains, so your horses can graze at leisure. When they hit the end of the rope, rather than panic, they just pick a different direction and if they get a little hung up, they just wait for help to arrive. (I am talking about the "Staking" that hobbles one foot which is connected to a grazing rope.

[Jenje!]

Originally Posted by rather-b-riding

Understood...I believe the OP posted his website....anyone who had any questions re his methods could've easily went straight there to find the answers..

Yes, but then there would have been no peer discussion.

Also, the link came after the edit.

[harli36]

Originally Posted by Sonny-Dee-Girl

i've seen that before. It is a sort of hobble training, but can cause injury because the horse can't correct properly. it is supposed to teach the horse to move around on three legs.

I used a similar method to keep my sisters mare from stomping my broken foot last fall. But I always had a hand on a quick release knot to free her if she got crazy. Also, the foot should not be tied so tightly. I allowed the mare to touch the ground with her toe, but not fully weight her foot. It actually worked well, she was unable to slam her weight down on me, and within a few days, she was holding her foot up on her own.

Not my favorite method, but it kept my foot from getting crushed again.

IT IS NOT supposed to teach the horse to move around on three legs. It is to get them to realize they are "stuck" and shouldn't move until a person comes to get them out of the sticky situation.

Although I do think the horse in the second pic is tied a little too high if you allow their foot to touch the ground they are more likely to want to use that leg without realizing they can't, making it harder for them to maintain their balance.

[Sonny-Dee-Girl]

[quote=harli36;3054689]IT IS NOT supposed to teach the horse to move around on three legs. It is to get them to realize they are "stuck" and shouldn't move until a person comes to get them out of the sticky situation. "

Although I do think the horse in the second pic is tied a little too high if you allow their foot to touch the ground they are more likely to want to use that leg without realizing they can't, making it harder for them to maintain their balance.[/quote

The first time I watched this technique used, it was by Craig
Cameron, and he was lunging the horse with one foot tied. That is why I stated that this particular hobbling technique was used for moving the horse on 3 legs. There are many hobbling techniques used to train a horse not to struggle, very useful for getting caught in barb wire or brambles. In my experience, this was not one of them, but I can understand how it could be used as such.

[Endorphins4u2]

This is a back leg strap and it's purpose cannot be single out to do one particular task.

The trainer using it is at the time is only person that knows what is going on because this and many other tools/techniques in equine, can be used to do a number of tasks. Unless your there at the time you can't tell if he is using it because the horse is a kicker, using it to sack the horse out, using it to back the horse or whatever...

If you see a pic of someone using a twitch, you can't tell what they are using it for as it has many useful purposes (and some not so useful) but the point is a picture can tell 1000 words and you can't jump to conclusions unless you know the facts.

I used to make these back legs straps because they are very effective in immobilizing horses that keep running when your trying to get near them. Mine was a little more user friendly, but the purpose of use was to show the horse the gear isn't going to hurt them, another is that mounting isn't that scary and most of the time if done correctly, once is often enough.

You must also understand that a lot of people that buy horses and send them away to be started, don't know what starting a horse consists of and are ringing up the very next day of you getting the horse saying "is he ridden yet" or "when can he come home". Time is money to a lot of people and they normal want progress at the pace of their wallets, not the horse's mind.

I know John and like myself, we get results by doing what works for us in the time we have which normal brings us under fire, sorry...we have families to look after and bills to pay so pleasing paying clients comes a little before pleasing experts sitting behind a keyboard.

Let us learn from history and it's history that tells us, it's impossible t please everyone.

Please remain open minded unless you know everything and can't learn anymore.

Edit to add: The front hobbles both one leg or two, has it's flaws. Smart horses can quickly work them out and get enough rhythm and momentum going with their head to be un-catchable, so the back leg strap is the next line of defense.

[4hooves4me2]

When I got Koko, he was 5 years old, and had NEVER had his feet done. He tried to kill all of us. He even lunged forward and skinned his entire face on the side of the barn. My farrier did this to him, and wowza-what a help it was. Koko learned to stand 3 legged-and NOT have a fit, because it got him no where and no where faaaast.

He got taught a lesson without injury to anyone-and he learned a lesson from his own actions. Just like a body rope-tie them up, and let them teach themselves-great option for training there too.

If I got into another situation like that-I would do it again in a heartbeat.

[rather-b-riding]

Originally Posted by Endorphins4u2

This is a back leg strap and it's purpose cannot be single out to do one particular task.

The trainer using it is at the time is only person that knows what is going on because this and many other tools/techniques in equine, can be used to do a number of tasks. Unless your there at the time you can't tell if he is using it because the horse is a kicker, using it to sack the horse out, using it to back the horse or whatever...

If you see a pic of someone using a twitch, you can't tell what they are using it for as it has many useful purposes (and some not so useful) but the point is a picture can tell 1000 words and you can't jump to conclusions unless you know the facts.

I used to make these back legs straps because they are very effective in immobilizing horses that keep running when your trying to get near them. Mine was a little more user friendly, but the purpose of use was to show the horse the gear isn't going to hurt them, another is that mounting isn't that scary and most of the time if done correctly, once is often enough.

You must also understand that a lot of people that buy horses and send them away to be started, don't know what starting a horse consists of and are ringing up the very next day of you getting the horse saying "is he ridden yet" or "when can he come home". Time is money to a lot of people and they normal want progress at the pace of their wallets, not the horse's mind.

I know John and like myself, we get results by doing what works for us in the time we have which normal brings us under fire, sorry...we have families to look after and bills to pay so pleasing paying clients comes a little before pleasing experts sitting behind a keyboard.

Let us learn from history and it's history that tells us, it's impossible t please everyone.

Please remain open minded unless you know everything and can't learn anymore.

Edit to add: The front hobbles both one leg or two, has it's flaws. Smart horses can quickly work them out and get enough rhythm and momentum going with their head to be un-catchable, so the back leg strap is the next line of defense.

Well said! (alot better than I did or attempted to!)

[Endorphins4u2]

Originally Posted by rather-b-riding

Well said! (alot better than I did or attempted to!)

First time for everything.. lol

Normally when I say something all **** breaks loose..

Me'z got a history here...