What happens when you have a pearl cross...

Haas Horse Farm · 11-04-2007, 11:19 PM

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So why do I bring this up... because I was frustrated... I went to the ad thinking I was going to find a champagne horses... but no it is a pearl... or possibly double pearl... not a champagne at all with no possible chance of it since the sire and dam both do not have the genes.

Shannon · 11-04-2007, 11:47 PM

I'm not 100% sure what you are asking Mary? I doubt "pearl" is a regiserable color in APHA's book, and while champagne and cream dilute colors work in no way like pearl, what would you like them to be registered as?

JetdecksComet · 11-04-2007, 11:48 PM

That's annoying. Kind of like when people have their palominos listed as "carrying the cremello gene". LOL

It also frustrates me that the sires name is spelled wrong on his "get" link. They have it as "Mighty Ambitius" LOL

Belladonna · 11-05-2007, 12:24 AM

When you say pearl do you min perlino? this is a colour caused by 2 creme genes acting on a bay coat. If you breed a perlino to a chestnut you have a 58.34% chance of getting a buckskin, a 33.33% chance of getting a palomino and a 8.33% chance of gettinga smokey black. If you breed a perlino to a bay you have a 87.89% of getting a buckskin, 6.25% chance of getting a palomino and a 5.86% chance of getting a smokey black. This is of course all calculated without knowing factors such as heterzygous black or not etc.

As for the champagne gene i have yet to come accross it in the paint breed. It's more common in tennessee walking horses and quarter horses. of course this doesn't mean it doesn't excist in paint horses.

madvoice · 11-05-2007, 02:06 AM

http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/service/h...#pearldilution

Pearl isn't perlino. Pearl is totally different again..

Belladonna · 11-05-2007, 02:13 AM

wow how interesting. I've never heard if it before, i feel like my education is lacking lol. thanx madvoice.

madvoice · 11-05-2007, 02:14 AM

It is something relatively new and not commonly known to most Aussies. I'd love to get my hands on a Pearl horse

Belladonna · 11-05-2007, 02:19 AM

well thanx for furthering my knowledge, i shall study this pearl more. Colour genetics are my thing, i love studying them.

madvoice · 11-05-2007, 02:22 AM

It makes me wonder how many more colour affecting genes that haven't been mapped/discovered yet

JBandRio · 11-05-2007, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belladonna

When you say pearl do you min perlino? this is a colour caused by 2 creme genes acting on a bay coat.

2 cremes on a bay is a Perlino, different from Pearl.

Pearl is very different. It acts by not acting on a non-dilute horse (unless present in double form), but also by acting on a single-dilute horse by making it look like the equivalent double dilute. This means it turns a bucksking into a "Perlino", a palomino into a "cremello" and a smokey black into a "smokey cream". The horse isn't really that double-dilute color, as there is still only a single creme gene present. I think Pearl has no visible effect on a double-dilute color though.

11-04-2007, 11:47 PM	#2
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 6,563 Images: 916 Blog Entries: 59	I'm not 100% sure what you are asking Mary? I doubt "pearl" is a regiserable color in APHA's book, and while champagne and cream dilute colors work in no way like pearl, what would you like them to be registered as? __________________ Member of the HGS 20 Pound Club... Start weight: 133 Goal Weight: 103 Current Weight: 117

11-05-2007, 12:24 AM	#4
Belladonna Full Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Aussie Aussie Aussie! Posts: 262 Images: 53	When you say pearl do you min perlino? this is a colour caused by 2 creme genes acting on a bay coat. If you breed a perlino to a chestnut you have a 58.34% chance of getting a buckskin, a 33.33% chance of getting a palomino and a 8.33% chance of gettinga smokey black. If you breed a perlino to a bay you have a 87.89% of getting a buckskin, 6.25% chance of getting a palomino and a 5.86% chance of getting a smokey black. This is of course all calculated without knowing factors such as heterzygous black or not etc. As for the champagne gene i have yet to come accross it in the paint breed. It's more common in tennessee walking horses and quarter horses. of course this doesn't mean it doesn't excist in paint horses. __________________ "A good horse rider can hear their horse speak, a great horse rider can hear their horse whisper" - Monty Roberts

11-05-2007, 02:06 AM	#5
madvoice Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2004 Location: Humpty Doo, Northern Territory, Australia Posts: 8,938 Images: 281	http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/service/h...#pearldilution Pearl isn't perlino. Pearl is totally different again.. __________________ Sep 1997 - 15 Jan 2006 ~Fry Baby I'll Miss You~ I'm not a complete idiot.. Some parts are missing

11-05-2007, 02:13 AM	#6
Belladonna Full Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Aussie Aussie Aussie! Posts: 262 Images: 53	wow how interesting. I've never heard if it before, i feel like my education is lacking lol. thanx madvoice. __________________ "A good horse rider can hear their horse speak, a great horse rider can hear their horse whisper" - Monty Roberts

11-05-2007, 02:14 AM	#7
madvoice Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2004 Location: Humpty Doo, Northern Territory, Australia Posts: 8,938 Images: 281	It is something relatively new and not commonly known to most Aussies. I'd love to get my hands on a Pearl horse __________________ Sep 1997 - 15 Jan 2006 ~Fry Baby I'll Miss You~ I'm not a complete idiot.. Some parts are missing

11-04-2007, 11:48 PM	#3
JetdecksComet Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 281 Images: 1	That's annoying. Kind of like when people have their palominos listed as "carrying the cremello gene". LOL It also frustrates me that the sires name is spelled wrong on his "get" link. They have it as "Mighty Ambitius" LOL

11-05-2007, 02:19 AM	#8
Belladonna Full Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Aussie Aussie Aussie! Posts: 262 Images: 53	well thanx for furthering my knowledge, i shall study this pearl more. Colour genetics are my thing, i love studying them. __________________ "A good horse rider can hear their horse speak, a great horse rider can hear their horse whisper" - Monty Roberts

11-05-2007, 02:22 AM	#9
madvoice Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2004 Location: Humpty Doo, Northern Territory, Australia Posts: 8,938 Images: 281	It makes me wonder how many more colour affecting genes that haven't been mapped/discovered yet __________________ Sep 1997 - 15 Jan 2006 ~Fry Baby I'll Miss You~ I'm not a complete idiot.. Some parts are missing

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