What do you think was discovered first?

arabiangirl171 · 06-22-2005, 03:12 PM

Ok do you think the Arabian or the Akhal Teke was founded first?? I've seen some places that they have proof that the Teke came first. I personally believe it's the Arabian, and NOT because it's my favorite breed

QHGirl · 06-22-2005, 03:13 PM

You know this is the first discussion I have seen on this forum reguarding this. GREAT topic!

arabiangirl171 · 06-22-2005, 03:15 PM

Wow thank you! I made a good poll for once! Yay! lol

SeaSide81 · 06-22-2005, 03:19 PM

I personally think the Arabian. They have skulls from over 6,000 years ago as well as other items strongly resembling Arabian horses found in the deserts of Arabia and that area. I know the Teke is old (also a great breed as well) but I have never heard of them finding evidence of them from that far.

Actually, according to some theories they all evolved (yes naturally evolved) around the same time. Some scientists say there were four "foundation" horse type that occured as the horse became a "true" horse. 1 was a small desert dweller type (similar to the Caspian and Arabian), 1 was a lean steppes horse (ancestor of the Teke), one was a stocky, heavy horse (beginning of Draft types), and one was a sturdy pony from Great Britian (start of Exmoors, and other moor ponies). Well, that is their theory anyway

Blistering Winds · 06-22-2005, 03:43 PM

oooo...I like this one!!

mustang_dodger · 06-22-2005, 03:44 PM

the arabian, cause the akhal-teke is a breed that comes from the arabian.

Sandra-A1 · 06-22-2005, 04:00 PM

That is a good question!

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People first domesticated horses some 5,000 years ago, probably in central Asia. The earliest evidence of horse domestication has been found in the steppes of the eastern Ukraine, northern Caucasus, central Russia and Kazakhstan.

I know that the AHA says that Arabian Horse is, but the Akhal Teke Association says that this is not so that they are.

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Excavations in southern Turkmenistan have uncovered skeletal remains of tall, fine-boned horses dating back to 2400 BC. The breed name, however, dates back only to the end of the nineteenth century.

Which would lead one to presume that the Akhal Teke is the oldest breed.

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The Akhal-Teké has been bred and raced for at least 3000 years.

So it would seem that the Akhal Teke would have the edge when it came to being the oldest..but now we have to decide if we are looking for the oldest breed selectively bred by man...if that is the question then one would then assume that the Arabian would be the oldest.

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Arabian horses first appeared in the Arabian Peninsula at least 2,500 years B.C.E. They were carefully inbred to maintain desirable features (e.g. stamina, soundness, strength, and beauty), and are therefore one of the oldest, if not the oldest breeds in the world.

I really don't know...so I will say that I think the Andalusian is the oldest....

According to the IALHA website:

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The Andalusian is one of the great, ancient breeds of horse. It originated in the Iberian Peninsula and is named for the region of Spain called Andalucia though the breed actually was more widespread. The Andalusian horse has been documented throughout European history and was praised as the finest horse of war by the Romans and Greeks in ancient times. It’s history as a equine type goes back even further, documented by cave paintings believed to be 20,000 years old.

ejforrest · 06-22-2005, 04:54 PM

Akhal-Teke(Turkmenistan)
Origins: The Akhal-Teke of Turkmenistan, a republic in central Asia which lies between the Caspian Sea and Afghanistan, is believed to be a descendant of Turkoman or Turkmene, an ancient race of horse thought to have existed thousands of years ago, but now unfortunately extinct. It takes its name from a tribe called the Teke which still inhabits the Akhal oasis in the Karakum desert, close to the borders of Iran, where the horses taditionally live in herd under the watchful eyes of mounted herdsmen.
The Arab, or Arabian, is on of the oldest of the hotblooded breeds, and its blood lines are present in many modern breeds today which extend throughout Europe and the United States.
The Arab was also of great importance to the Bedouin, the nomadic Arabs of the desert, who can trace their association with the breed back to 3000 BC to a mare called Baz and a stallion called Hoshaba.

riding_reaper · 06-22-2005, 05:10 PM

Arabian...

SunBun · 06-22-2005, 05:33 PM

Arabian. Doesn't it say that in the bible somewhere?

View Poll Results: What do you think??
Arabian	44	75.86%
Akhal-Teke	11	18.97%
Other/neither (please state)	3	5.17%
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06-22-2005, 03:12 PM	#1
arabiangirl171 Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in my guitar amp, it's quite comfy in here. Posts: 1,107 Images: 25	What do you think was discovered first? Ok do you think the Arabian or the Akhal Teke was founded first?? I've seen some places that they have proof that the Teke came first. I personally believe it's the Arabian, and NOT because it's my favorite breed __________________ WET PAINT This is not an instruction

06-22-2005, 03:13 PM	#2
QHGirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 7,650 Images: 368	You know this is the first discussion I have seen on this forum reguarding this. GREAT topic! __________________ I must not forget to thank the difficult horses, who made my life miserable, but who were better teachers than the well-behaved school horses who raised no problems. -Alois Podhaisky Sexy by Christmas Challenge-r!! Start: 0 lbs LOST / Goal: 10 lbs LOST / CURRENT: 0 lbs LOST

06-22-2005, 03:15 PM	#3
arabiangirl171 Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in my guitar amp, it's quite comfy in here. Posts: 1,107 Images: 25	Wow thank you! I made a good poll for once! Yay! lol __________________ WET PAINT This is not an instruction

06-22-2005, 03:19 PM	#4
SeaSide81 Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Panhandle of Florida (Hurricane Central as of late!) Posts: 559 Images: 14	I personally think the Arabian. They have skulls from over 6,000 years ago as well as other items strongly resembling Arabian horses found in the deserts of Arabia and that area. I know the Teke is old (also a great breed as well) but I have never heard of them finding evidence of them from that far. Actually, according to some theories they all evolved (yes naturally evolved) around the same time. Some scientists say there were four "foundation" horse type that occured as the horse became a "true" horse. 1 was a small desert dweller type (similar to the Caspian and Arabian), 1 was a lean steppes horse (ancestor of the Teke), one was a stocky, heavy horse (beginning of Draft types), and one was a sturdy pony from Great Britian (start of Exmoors, and other moor ponies). Well, that is their theory anyway __________________ A horse gallops with his lungs, Perseveres with his heart, And wins with his character. ~Tesio

06-22-2005, 03:43 PM	#5
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 32,425 Images: 864 Blog Entries: 18	oooo...I like this one!! __________________ Can I have a midlife crisis now?

06-22-2005, 03:44 PM	#6
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: sterlins illinois Posts: 18,194 Images: 561	the arabian, cause the akhal-teke is a breed that comes from the arabian. __________________ Proud owner of Smart Devil a registered appendix and registered paint mare Eye's White Feather.

06-22-2005, 04:54 PM	#8
ejforrest Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: U.P. Michigan Posts: 3,781 Images: 697	Akhal-Teke(Turkmenistan) Origins: The Akhal-Teke of Turkmenistan, a republic in central Asia which lies between the Caspian Sea and Afghanistan, is believed to be a descendant of Turkoman or Turkmene, an ancient race of horse thought to have existed thousands of years ago, but now unfortunately extinct. It takes its name from a tribe called the Teke which still inhabits the Akhal oasis in the Karakum desert, close to the borders of Iran, where the horses taditionally live in herd under the watchful eyes of mounted herdsmen. The Arab, or Arabian, is on of the oldest of the hotblooded breeds, and its blood lines are present in many modern breeds today which extend throughout Europe and the United States. The Arab was also of great importance to the Bedouin, the nomadic Arabs of the desert, who can trace their association with the breed back to 3000 BC to a mare called Baz and a stallion called Hoshaba. __________________ ejforrest-Life without horses? I dont think so! And God said to horse trust no man if you cannot see your own image in his eyes.

06-22-2005, 05:10 PM	#9
riding_reaper Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 4,855 Images: 285 Blog Entries: 9	Arabian... __________________ I can ride my bike with no handlebars no handlebars no handlebars ...