[endurgirl]

Originally Posted by Kat&Ashton

I . She has all the extra channels on satellite, DSL, and does pay per views. A couple of winter's ago her trailer had a whole in the floor. She cried to the community and it got fixed. The next month they were going to Disney for vacation. OK...why didn't take that money they would spend at disney and fix her own floor. .

My FIL recently had his lights turned off. My DH had to go and pay for them to be turned back on. FIL has ALL of the satellite channels, (we have the $67 package and it's more tv than we can watch), he has 2 home phone lines, a cell phone, all these SIM cards or whatever you have to buy to play World of Warcraft and some other RPG. He smokes about 2-3 packs a day. But he didn't have the money for his whole light bill. I said next time, it's N-O, we are not paying for it. We have to make sacrifices in our lives, so can he!!!

[Hopeful Wishes]

Originally Posted by endurgirl

I totally agree with you meljean, but be warned, some here don't see the career welfare-ers as a burden on us.

I see it daily. I work in a pharmacy, and medicaid pays for the MAJORITY of the medicines dispensed.

They sometimes have a .50 co-pay. Yep, they fuss about it. When people who work have 30.00 copays.

The system is definitely broken...and broke!

I've seen everything youre talking about!!! It makes me sick. I want to scream at people when they complain about the $1 co pay or even their $5 co pay when I wait on older couples ever day, who are having to pay $50-$75 some PER PRESCRIPTION! And its medication they HAVE to have. And, they are old enough, they can not work anymore b/c of REAL health issues. It makes me sick!! I would say 50-75% of prescriptions we fill are medicaid. Its really frustrating when they come in in their nice vehicles, smoking, buying candy etc...

And even the fact they're too flipping lazy to WALK IN THE STORE and get the prescription but yet they go through the drive thru. Save it for older people who can't walk very well or SICK people. Don't come thru it and then ***** and moan b/c you have to pay $1.00 and make us re run your insurance 10xs bc we HAD to have messed something up... Only to find out 30minutes later... You pay $1 or you don't get it.

Originally Posted by meljean

Here is a news flash, welfare is not a career goal. I for one, am tired of watching my taxes come out of my paycheck, so somebody can sit on their duff, not work, not take care of their children, not provide food, utilities, rent, health insurance, school lunches, nor apparently have any intention of doing so.

I just checked on FB, and saw pictures of a former co-worker, she is 18, already has a almost 4 year old, and is about three months away from having her next one, all without benefit of a husband, for either one. Oh, and I forgot to mention, she has had in the year I have known her, had three miscarriages from Jan til Apr. Oh, and I forgot to also mention, she has NO job. So guess who is toting the bill. That's right. US.

And I am tired of it all. Working people can't survive because we have to provide for people like this, but...this girl has a fancy cell phone, smokes cigarettes like a chimneypipe, and can afford a tanning package, gets her nails done, and has massages so that she can destress. Destress from what? Get a job and you will be too tired to stress.

When you add up all of the benefits that someone like her is getting, rent,$400.00a month, food stamps, another 400 a month, Medicaid, equivalent of 400 a month, WIC 100+ a month, utility help, 150 a month, not counting Headstart, she makes more than I do. And don't forget Taniff, that's another 300 a month. And now here she is bringing another one in the world for me to feed.

And now a lot of cities are implementing Backpack Buddies, where they send kids home with backpacks full of snack type healthy food, so the kids won't be hungry over the weekend. Excuse me, what the *#*#* happened to parenting???

And then I stand behind someone who is using WIC vouchers, and a Food Stamp card, and then they go and get in a better car than I drive, and light up a Marlboro? So I have to pay for your kids milk? But you can afford to smoke?

I see ads on houses for rent, $1200.00 a month, Section 8 okay. What fool in this economy would feel like they could afford that kind of rent in a $15 an hour world??? Oh that's right, they don't have to budget wisely, because they don't have a budget, they have taxpayers.

Here's another news flash. Welfare isn't free. I am paying for it, and don't try and convince me because you worked 10 hours last year that you are entitled to it, because you are not. If you can't afford the kid you have, that I am providing for, then stay on your feet and don't get pregnant.

And I have had to have help, but I didn't plan for my marriage to end, and I got off of it just as quick as I could, and I didn't go flaunting it in peoples faces, because I was ashamed of having to be on welfare. Now the shame is being stupid enough to hit a job every day, when the people who won't work live better than I do.

If you can't feed them, don't have them. I am tired of supporting the whole dog gone country. Get a job, so I can enjoy the benefits of mine.

I 100% agree!!! Now I am going to gracefully leave this thread with my mouth zipped.

[endurgirl]

And as this thread goes, a customer just brings in a new paper saying she now has PeachState (a branch of Medicaid). She's 25 years old.

[Martini!]

Originally Posted by JKetsche

Who are we to judge how many children someone has?

We are no one to judge those who have children they can afford. I personally feel no guilt whatsoever for judging those who have children irresponsibly. My old coworker just turned 21 and she already has two children. The 20 year old father had no job from high school until recently, when he finally joined the military, and she works but only part time and only makes $10/hr. Honestly, she should NOT have had either one of those kids, and after the first one ("mistake") they certainly should have been smart enough to start taking precautions. Nope.

Originally Posted by sirius-dressage

Isn't there some rule that if you are on welfare and you have another child you don't get money anymore? Maybe that's just some states? I don't know where I heard that.

If there isn't, there absolutely should be. If you are a single mom that lost their job and you're in need of help until you find one, sure...if you're having more kids when you can't afford the ones you have, no more help. Sure, we can't let babies starve, but we can take them and care for them accordingly and refuse help to the irresponsible mother. There are infertile couples waiting for babies to adopt, couples that can afford to care for them.

May be harsh, but harsh is what SOME people need.

[Shotgun93]

When I worked in bankruptcy counceling, I was amazed at how many people would call in filing for BK when they were on disability, welfare, SS, food stamps, ect. When we would go through their monthly expenses I was just shocked. These were people that were paying $300 a month for satellte TV, $100 in internet costs, $150 for cell phones while they had a home phone too, $500 a month car payments, rediculous dining out bills, the list goes on and on. And not only were they getting assistance from money that I earned, they were filing BK on top of it and getting all of their debt wiped clean.
It really ticked me off because my husband and I work hard for our money and we go with out a lot of those things so that we are able to have savings, college funds, retirement and health care.
I get so sick of people who have a sense of entitlement to my money that I work hard for, when they are just too lazy to go get a job.

I know that these programs are here to help people, and I think that there are plenty of people that deserve the help. But there are probably far more that don't need it, they just want it. I work with a lady who is a single mom, works 45 hours a week, but because her dead-beat father of her child refuses to pay child support, she is on assistance for day care, WIC and housing. I don't have a problem with that because she shows up to work every day, works hard and is going to school to better herself. She is one that does need the assistance. But there are so many out there who do not and are taking help from people like her who do need it.

[SaddleTrail]

As I said before generations of kids have been on welfare, know no other way of life.
You have to as parents set examples.

2 years after my husband and I married my son was in a accident and it cost us everything we had to pay to these people. We paid over 50 thousand just to keep him out of juvenile hall, didnt help. He went in for 6 months. The parents sued us for over a million dollars. So we had to file bankruptcy. My son can not find a decent job due to his juvenile history, he is married and has my two grandsons. My husband didnt once complain, we both kept working until we paid off everything we could. We did not get on welfare. We worked, they would take 65% of my husbands check. One time his paycheck was 93 dollars. With in 5 years of this happening, we had to pay back welfare money that was for his 38 year old sons!! Their mother was on welfare for most of their life and we had to pay it back.

So after being married for 15 years on June 6th, June 12th my hubby ends up in ER. He is now 100% disabled. SS allows him 983 dollars a month for us to live on. I am going back to school to learn a trade to support him as he has my family.
After all these years of paying for others and not once getting on welfare.
I still have to pay for my own schooling and try to survive on what he gets until I can get a job.

We will do it, we don't have a choice. My husband is 62 and I am 54. There is NO help for us as seniors. He has Vets for his meds, but we pay for mine.

Do I have a problem with others on welfare just because they are too sorry to get a job?
Yes.

[nicz2cu]

I checked the date of these posts before I screamed .... Deja Vue .

That is all I'll say, because we know my feelings on the matter .

[meljean]

Just some additional information on my thread here.

In 2004 in Mobile AL, by I-65, there was a housing project, big two story run down 12 families to a building type thing, in bad shape, because most who lived there, tore it up. The state and feds decided that it needed to be torn down, and nice dark red brick two families ranch duplexes needed to be built, white shutters and porch railings, concrete drives, landscaping etc.

When the buildings were being emptied out, and people were being located to other areas while rebuilding was going on, one woman was interviewed in the Press Register newspaper, she was talking about how she had moved into the projects in the 60's, living with her great-grandmother, and that she was now a great-grandmother raising her great grand-children there, that is 7 generations, and she had had 10 kids.

And of course, project was finished in 06, and what a joy it was to go by there, and see all of the cars with the big fancy rims and low profile tires on them, the kind that cost about $2500.00 a wheel. And don't worry if you couldn't afford them, because they have the newest cool place to go "Rent a Rim" so you too can look really cool in the projects.

And there have been movements in several different states, to reduce or deny benefits to a woman who is on assistance if she gets pregnant again. There has also been talk of making her get sterilized or have an abortion too. And those bills came pretty close to passing in some states. But they made no mention of the men who father child after child and support none of them.

In Birmingham, a man was killed in a drive by. He wasn't even 35 years old, and had 29 children. That's right, 29. At one point he was in child support court, and on one day, there were cases from 9 women, with a total of 15 children by him, but his momma said "he loved them children, he would buy them diapers.." Oh, and I guess because he just didn't know any other names, he named them Infiniti, Acura, Mercedes, Solara...after cars. So why don't they look into passing laws that if a man has more than two illegitimate children on welfare he has to get cut. And I don't mean a little snip, either. I mean to where he squats to *#*.

My SIL went into teaching HS, and she said she quit because she got tired of hearing the girls talking about how to get welfare benefits by getting pregnant. And I see the same thing 35 years from when she taught at my job. These girls have no intention of bettering their lives, just living off mine.

And yes, I can judge. If someone is living off of my dime, then that gives me a right to. If someone doesn't want to be judged, then quit living off of others. When you can pay for your cigarettes after YOU have bought your child's milk, then I won't judge you.

And this just blew my mind, in St. Joseph MO, and probably in MO period, as well as your states, in one of the housing projects, the cable company cuts them a deal for the "tenants" to get basic cable for $13 dollars a month, and then the project added $5 each, and the extra money would go into a college fund. In 15 years, not one kid has gone to college using any money from the fund.

And as to SSI checks, the big thing since the 70's is for people to tell their kids to "act crazy" at school, so they could get a "crazy check". That meant that kid was worth $400 a month +/-, so of course kid learns nothing, ruins classroom for other kids and teachers, then when kid gets 18 and check comes to them, the parents don't want to have to deal with this monster they created, so kid ends up in trouble and in jail, or just barely skirts law, and causes havoc in community.

And when I worked at Mental Health, we had a guy who would have to be escorted in, couldn't find the door, would run into the walls, fall on floor. It was Christmas time, and there was a box of toys for Toys for Tots by door. He goes over and starts pulling out toys, and fusses when toys are taken away from him..he had psych fooled, thought he was crazy, and was in process of working on getting him declared disabled, but...other secretary also worked nights at convenience store, and the "crazy man" came strolling in with his buddies, every one goes and gets their beer or liquor, and he comes to register, and is standing there counting his change before checking out, and hollers out to friends, "Hey, I'm short $1.53, give me a couple of dollars" He never even gronked on fact the woman who was behind counter was secretary at MH. She told psych, and he got denied..that time at least.

Friend of mine, had to babysit for her grandkids in a pinch. Baby was sick, and coughing, she's trying to find cough syrup. Says daughter always comes to her house and borrows from her, never paying back by the way. Can't find cough syrup or baby aspirin, but of course her daughter and shack job have cigarettes, he smokes two packs a day, and daughter smokes a 1/2 pack, of Marlboro's, that's what??? $10 or better?? But can't keep baby necessities on hand.

Life is priorities, what is more important. Milk or cigarettes? Cell phones with all the bells and whistles, or a roof over head? Booze or utilities? And yes, it may be "wrong" to let children go without, I won't deny it, but at same time, it only fosters irresponsibility, because the "parents" know they don't have to take care of them, because the taxpayers will.

[glideride]

Great post meljean! I agree 100 % with all...

Had some of my own expierences...

Gone are the days that you work, plan and save for your future. I was taught that SS was not to live on it was a "supplemental" benefit that we can aquire after WE have worked for many years and should "help" to provide us something for our retirement. Who knows if I will ever see any of it, good thing I listened to Dad and have been maxing out the 401K...

Having children was not something that you just DID! In most cases it should be something you plan for, meaning you do the math and figure out if YOU can afford to have children. Put money aside for what they may need in the near future etc. I work with a woman who has 3 children and she has a fund set up that she contributes to for college, wow, what a concept!

How/Why we became a country of people feeling everything should be handed to them is beyond me. Three years before my Mom passed away she had been working as a private duty nurse, pretty much taking care of elderly people that were in better health then she was. But she wanted to keep working...It became to much for her so we looked into supplement SS, at age 64...Well, they had us/her all but jump through hoops to try and get this for her...But I go to Walgreens and see a woman with 2 kids beside her and another on her hip...pulling out her Mass Health Card...Yup, the state was paying for her and her kids! Then doesn't she proceed to go outside and get into some fancy sports car that some guy (maybe the baby dad of at least one child) Burned me up!

Don't get me wrong, I do realize that there are folks that do fall on hard times and that is what some of these programs are set up for...But, they have been abused and are broken!

I am just glad that my parents brought me up to be the person I am and not one that expects anything.

[Miss Patience]

Originally Posted by rwinksters

My husband and I just signed up for wic and I felt very strange being there. You could definitely pick out who was there for the help and who was there just to take whatever they could. The employees there were definitely not used to talking to people who really understood what was going on. It was just sad...

In my opinion, WIC is not even comparable to food stamps, welfare, etc.
This isnt directed at anything mentioned earlier in the post, just kind of pulling it from a WIC post....
WIC does not buy much, but it helped with formula which was great, and I wasnt ashamed to be on it. My husband was in the Armed Forces, I stayed home with our child, so...then I feel like I am frowned upon for staying home with my children but thats a whole other post
Now we dropped $400 on groceries last weekend...it made me sick to my stomach. Then I see this FAT, PREGNANT, piece of **** in the store ******** because her ACCESS (food stamps) wont pay for her BOTTLED OZARK WATER!!!!! WHAAAAAT???? Waddle you're fat behind to the houseware isle and buy a filter for you're sink!! And stop by the dr's on you're way to the store and get a tubal while you're at it...
But then I try not to be like that, because my husband works his behind off for our family and I have thought of assistance for groceries, as food is so much more expensive than it was just maybe, two years ago. What if I did?