Walkaloosas?

iluvironcliff · 03-09-2005, 08:41 PM

Actually...about the whole color thing....I have seen more full appy's with no color. The majority of appy crosses that I see DO have color. My trainer breeds appy/qhs and all of them have color. If you look up appaloosa pics on the net you are going to see a lot of solid horses but don't judge the breed by a few pictures!

I also know of a few appy/arab crosses and they aren't weird looking at all.

tuckni · 03-09-2005, 08:55 PM

To Love an Appy is to truly be loved.

I was a QH girl from the top of my heart to the bottem. I took my oldest girl (Dusty) out to look at a foal crop and let her pick her own colt out, she picked Tucker a near leopard. I tried to talk her into a buckskin QH for all I was worth but NOOO

she wanted the color. SOOOOOOOOO Tucker became my first Appy. That horse took to me like no other horse had in 30years of owening horses (mostly QHs). There is nothing that horse wont do for me. I went back to the same breeder to get Dusty her own horse (because Tucker is sooooo mine) that is how we got Fissy our #2 Appy and Im breeding her to an Appy this year so Amanda can have one to.

Love2TrailRide · 03-09-2005, 09:08 PM

I dont think Appy's cross good with anything but QH's and maybe a TB. I have seen some really good Appy X TB and they are pretty. Appy X QH aren't bad because appy's are BASICALLY (just pointing out i used the words basically and not EXACTLY) QH's with spots. I think an Appy X Paint wouldn't be bad either, but I have never seen one. I think appy's cross well with horses with they're basic build and ability. If breeding an appy to an arab you are going to get (to me) a weird looking a horse. Arabs and appy's aren't much alike in my eyes. Arabs are small and danity looking and very pincess like where as appy's are more rough and tough, muscular looking horses. And with the different confos you'd think you'd be bound to be looking for a unproportioned horse, even though you dont get one. I sure wouldn't take the risk though, I wouldnt want to end up with a Big muscular body, danity small head, and small little legs and feet and they flippy tail thing arabs have. That would be..werid looking, right? Appy's to me just dont mix well with other breeds, and I think the only reason people breed them to other breeds is to get the non-appy breed color. They want for example the TW with the Appy color. Of course there could possibly be other reasons, but to me thats the main. People just want color. This is all IMO, so please no one come yelling back at me saying I have false facts when I am stating this IMO and personal experiences

Appylvr · 03-09-2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2TrailRide

I think an Appy X Paint wouldn't be bad either, but I have never seen one.

If breeding an appy to an arab you are going to get (to me) a weird looking a horse. Arabs and appy's aren't much alike in my eyes. Arabs are small and danity looking and very pincess like where as appy's are more rough and tough, muscular looking horses.

An Appy X Paint is called a Pintaloosa, but MOST paint breeders WILL NOT breed them. For some reason it's shunned? When I bred my QH mare to a Paint stud, the owner of the stud told me that if it didn't work with her, I have a guaranted breed back. I said, It better work because the only other mares I have are a NSH and a Appy. He said I WON'T BREED AN APPY! I'll be black-balled. I have seen a few before, quite common in the miniature horse.

I totally agree with you about the Arab thing, though!!! My neighbor's have these GORGEOUS Appaloosa mares and they are breeding to an Arabian stud! I was so mad when they told me, but what can I do?

HORSE03 · 03-10-2005, 12:58 AM

I agree with trailride I would only breed to an Appy because the true appaloosa's are very few anymore, If you look at most of the bloodlines they will usually have TB or QH in them. The foundation appy's had color and they also had the ugly long heads, they were bred to QH/TB to make what "looks" better. I do have an appy/paint cross gelding he is nice built but he favors the appy minus the head. He has no mane or tail lol. I also agree people just want flashy colors on whatever horse they have, myself I just like a good horse.

bishopsangels · 03-10-2005, 03:40 AM

Thanks for your advice. I think I will (from now on) stick to appy x appy!

Sandra-A1 · 03-10-2005, 03:40 AM

If it was not for the Arabian horse the Appaloosa of today might not exist

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The "true Appaloosa" your talking about ceased to exist once the horses were taken from the Nez Perce and sold at Government auction!

They were sold to the "white man" who bred them to anything and every thing with no thought except to get those spots!

Arabians were the "chosen breed" used by Claude Thompson, to help to bring the Appaloosa back to the body type that "the Appaloosa Club's founder", Claude remembered seeing as a youth.

Claude Thompson was an Appaloosa breeder who outcrossed with Arabians of Crabbet descent. Thompson also helped found the Appaloosa Horse Club. Claude owned the Kellogg bred chestnut stallion Ferras 922 (*Ferdin x *Rasima) as well as several fine Arabian mares. (see the photo below)

A matter of record, several Appaloosas that were registered at the start
of the Appaloosa Horse Club were 1/2 Arabians so if you own an Appaloosa you may in fact already own an "AraAppaloosa" and not even know it. One of these foundation Appaloosas was Painter III F 8, the sire of Painter's Marvel F
47 who was the dam to Red Eagle F 209 . Red Eagle himself was sired by an
Arabian.

To learn MORE about the Appaloosa and Claude Thompson click on this link: The Breed Comes Back

Love2TrailRide · 03-10-2005, 08:19 AM

Yes, Sandra, I know all about Appaloosas having Arabs and every other horse in them, lol. (not literally but you get what I mean). But that was awhile ago, and even if people are still breeding Appy 2 Arab, I think now days they are going to start looking funny IMHO. They are two different breeds now regardless the fact that the Arabs help bring the breed back, we weren't trying to offend the Arabs or the Appys when we said they'd make a bad match. But they look almost totally different, they have different builds, heads, legs, size, COLOR. Not to mention they're breed for completely different things. And now that we have the Appy's back and we're getting some with many Appy2Appy generations in them, dont you think this is a good time to start "preserving" them and trying to continue the appys?? Even if the TB's, QH's, and ARAB's contributed to us having the Appaloosas today, doesn't mean we should breed to those three main breeds just because people did way back when. If people want an Araappaloosa or Pintaloosa or Walkaloosa, then they should breed those breeds together. To me, all it sounds like is people really wated those breeds to have color, so they breed a colorful horse to them and it just got popular. Breeding Appaloosa's to different breeds is not helping the appy's. We cant stop people from breeding their appy to other breeds but its not going to help much, and in my eyes appy's dont mix well with other breeds besides QH, Paint, and maybe a TB. They all have the basic build and stamina (besides the TB in these cases) and are breed for the same things basically. This is once again all in my opinion.

Top Dun · 03-10-2005, 08:31 AM

Some Tenesee Walkers CARRY the LP gene for appaloosa markings. There IS a FULL blooded DNA tested Walker stallion standing at stud who has a full appaloosa blanket.

http://www.newpromisefarms.com/pages...iral_album.htm

CowGirlUp1833 · 03-10-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Top Dun

Some Tenesee Walkers CARRY the LP gene for appaloosa markings. There IS a FILL blooded DNA tested Walker stallion standing at stud who has a full appaloosa blanket.

http://www.newpromisefarms.com/pages...iral_album.htm

So can he be double registered as both walker and app???

03-09-2005, 08:41 PM	#11
iluvironcliff Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 322 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 12	Actually...about the whole color thing....I have seen more full appy's with no color. The majority of appy crosses that I see DO have color. My trainer breeds appy/qhs and all of them have color. If you look up appaloosa pics on the net you are going to see a lot of solid horses but don't judge the breed by a few pictures! I also know of a few appy/arab crosses and they aren't weird looking at all. __________________ God made the horse to make the world perfect, but then went back and added spots just in case www.stopglobalwarming.org

03-09-2005, 08:55 PM	#12
tuckni Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 596 Images: 91	To Love an Appy is to truly be loved. I was a QH girl from the top of my heart to the bottem. I took my oldest girl (Dusty) out to look at a foal crop and let her pick her own colt out, she picked Tucker a near leopard. I tried to talk her into a buckskin QH for all I was worth but NOOO she wanted the color. SOOOOOOOOO Tucker became my first Appy. That horse took to me like no other horse had in 30years of owening horses (mostly QHs). There is nothing that horse wont do for me. I went back to the same breeder to get Dusty her own horse (because Tucker is sooooo mine) that is how we got Fissy our #2 Appy and Im breeding her to an Appy this year so Amanda can have one to. __________________ Tuckni <\__~ // \\ Tuck,Apple,Ace,Bugz,Hokie,Senic,Romo,Vandy,RIP Bud There are only two emotions that belong in the saddle; one is a sense of humor and the other is patience." Lyons "You can get in a car to see what man has made, but you have to get on a horse to see what God has made." Russell

03-10-2005, 03:40 AM	#16
bishopsangels Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 955 Images: 40	Thanks for your advice. I think I will (from now on) stick to appy x appy! __________________ It is the blessing of old friends that you can be stupid with them~~~Ralph Waldo Emerson

03-10-2005, 03:40 AM	#17
Sandra-A1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,510 Images: 234	If it was not for the Arabian horse the Appaloosa of today might not exist : The "true Appaloosa" your talking about ceased to exist once the horses were taken from the Nez Perce and sold at Government auction! They were sold to the "white man" who bred them to anything and every thing with no thought except to get those spots! Arabians were the "chosen breed" used by Claude Thompson, to help to bring the Appaloosa back to the body type that "the Appaloosa Club's founder", Claude remembered seeing as a youth. Claude Thompson was an Appaloosa breeder who outcrossed with Arabians of Crabbet descent. Thompson also helped found the Appaloosa Horse Club. Claude owned the Kellogg bred chestnut stallion Ferras 922 (Ferdin x Rasima) as well as several fine Arabian mares. (see the photo below) A matter of record, several Appaloosas that were registered at the start of the Appaloosa Horse Club were 1/2 Arabians so if you own an Appaloosa you may in fact already own an "AraAppaloosa" and not even know it. One of these foundation Appaloosas was Painter III F 8, the sire of Painter's Marvel F 47 who was the dam to Red Eagle F 209 . Red Eagle himself was sired by an Arabian. To learn MORE about the Appaloosa and Claude Thompson click on this link: The Breed Comes Back __________________ "It is our choices Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." ~Dumbledore

03-10-2005, 08:31 AM	#19
Top Dun Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,702 Images: 183 Blog Entries: 1	Some Tenesee Walkers CARRY the LP gene for appaloosa markings. There IS a FULL blooded DNA tested Walker stallion standing at stud who has a full appaloosa blanket. http://www.newpromisefarms.com/pages...iral_album.htm __________________ Cattle Producers DO NOT want NAIS: When asked if they thought NAIS should be a mandatory system requiring all U.S. cattle producers to participate, 21.22% of respondents said yes, 50.32% said no, and 28.46% were undecided.

03-09-2005, 09:08 PM	#13
Love2TrailRide Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,703 Images: 116	I dont think Appy's cross good with anything but QH's and maybe a TB. I have seen some really good Appy X TB and they are pretty. Appy X QH aren't bad because appy's are BASICALLY (just pointing out i used the words basically and not EXACTLY) QH's with spots. I think an Appy X Paint wouldn't be bad either, but I have never seen one. I think appy's cross well with horses with they're basic build and ability. If breeding an appy to an arab you are going to get (to me) a weird looking a horse. Arabs and appy's aren't much alike in my eyes. Arabs are small and danity looking and very pincess like where as appy's are more rough and tough, muscular looking horses. And with the different confos you'd think you'd be bound to be looking for a unproportioned horse, even though you dont get one. I sure wouldn't take the risk though, I wouldnt want to end up with a Big muscular body, danity small head, and small little legs and feet and they flippy tail thing arabs have. That would be..werid looking, right? Appy's to me just dont mix well with other breeds, and I think the only reason people breed them to other breeds is to get the non-appy breed color. They want for example the TW with the Appy color. Of course there could possibly be other reasons, but to me thats the main. People just want color. This is all IMO, so please no one come yelling back at me saying I have false facts when I am stating this IMO and personal experiences

03-10-2005, 12:58 AM	#15
HORSE03 Full Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: SALEM VA Posts: 62	I agree with trailride I would only breed to an Appy because the true appaloosa's are very few anymore, If you look at most of the bloodlines they will usually have TB or QH in them. The foundation appy's had color and they also had the ugly long heads, they were bred to QH/TB to make what "looks" better. I do have an appy/paint cross gelding he is nice built but he favors the appy minus the head. He has no mane or tail lol. I also agree people just want flashy colors on whatever horse they have, myself I just like a good horse.

03-10-2005, 08:19 AM	#18
Love2TrailRide Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,703 Images: 116	Yes, Sandra, I know all about Appaloosas having Arabs and every other horse in them, lol. (not literally but you get what I mean). But that was awhile ago, and even if people are still breeding Appy 2 Arab, I think now days they are going to start looking funny IMHO. They are two different breeds now regardless the fact that the Arabs help bring the breed back, we weren't trying to offend the Arabs or the Appys when we said they'd make a bad match. But they look almost totally different, they have different builds, heads, legs, size, COLOR. Not to mention they're breed for completely different things. And now that we have the Appy's back and we're getting some with many Appy2Appy generations in them, dont you think this is a good time to start "preserving" them and trying to continue the appys?? Even if the TB's, QH's, and ARAB's contributed to us having the Appaloosas today, doesn't mean we should breed to those three main breeds just because people did way back when. If people want an Araappaloosa or Pintaloosa or Walkaloosa, then they should breed those breeds together. To me, all it sounds like is people really wated those breeds to have color, so they breed a colorful horse to them and it just got popular. Breeding Appaloosa's to different breeds is not helping the appy's. We cant stop people from breeding their appy to other breeds but its not going to help much, and in my eyes appy's dont mix well with other breeds besides QH, Paint, and maybe a TB. They all have the basic build and stamina (besides the TB in these cases) and are breed for the same things basically. This is once again all in my opinion.