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    Video on School busses cannot be viewed by parents

    School Bus Privacy : News : KVII Online

    School Bus Privacy

    CISD Says Bus Video Private


    By A.J. Swope
    Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 at 9:48 a.m.
    CANYON, TEXAS -- How would you feel if your child came home to tell you that his school bus driver threatened to kick him off the bus?
    One local woman is dealing with that situation right now.
    The catch is, the school district won’t even let her see the video surveillance from the school bus.
    Teresa Lay told ProNews 7 that after asking a bus driver why he needed to change seats, her son was threatened to be kicked off his school bus.
    “He didn’t understand what was going on,” said Lay. “He’d never been made to be in assigned seating. They were told, apparently, that kids heard the bus driver say that he would spank them.”
    Lay said that that other children on the bus confirm the incident, but she wanted proof.
    So she called Canyon ISD to view the video of the bus ride.
    The school district told her that the video is private, and she is not allowed to view it.
    ProNews 7 went to Canyon ISD to get some answers.
    “We consider our video tapes wherever they’re made private,” said Laurie Cizon, CISD Communications Coordinator. “Without parent permission for the child to be videotaped, and to be shared with the public, we consider those always to be private and educational records.”
    ProNews 7 spoke with a local attorney who said that Canyon ISD has the right to keep that tape private, unless more drastic measures are taken.
    “It’s school property and there are privacy rights out of the other children on the bus,” said Tate Eldridge. “However, if there is a civil lawsuit that’s filed, there is a process called The Discovery Process. And the mother will be able to request through her attorney, any and all information related to this incident and she will receive the information.”
    Lay said she is currently looking for an attorney, but she wishes it didn’t have to come to that.
    “I don’t think that’s fair,” said Lay. “I don’t think it’s fair to the children because the parents can’t protect them. Yes everybody should have some extent to privacy, but we as parents need to know what’s going on with our kids in order to protect them.”
    As of now, Canyon ISD cannot substantiate any of the allegations.
    ProNews 7 wanted to know if the bus driver in question was still driving, but because of The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, this information is also private.
    ProNews 7 wants to know your opinion on this issue.
    To let us know, go back to the home page and cast your vote on our KVII web poll that asks:
    “Should parents have the right to view school bus surveillance tapes?”
    And don’t forget about the new parent advisory board ProNews 7 is putting together.
    We know how much you care about your kid, and we want you to know that we do too.
    You can work with ProNews 7 on this board, simply by e-mailing us at 7caresaboutkids@kvii.com.
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    In my opinion, it should be allowed that a parent of a child on that bus should be allowed to view it with administrators. ESPECIALLY if a child is getting kicked off the bus. I want to see and know what the heck is happening.

    Nothing is "secret" on a bus. Windows are wide open. ANYONE can drive by and see who is on the bus, who is driving the bus, and any antics that goes on. So why is a video that shows the middle aisle such a secret?

    I can see not allowing any release to the news. But I cannot understand why they cannot confirm that the parent is of a child on that bus, and allow that parent to view their child's behavior on the bus.
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    Sounds like the school is more interested in covering its bases rather than truly investigating the issue. I'd be going legal (civil) to persue this.
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    As a former bus driver I may be putting myself in the hotseat. I know that the school district I worked for did not let parents view tapes either. The tapes were used to view when an accident accured and to see if the driver did the right thing. I know because my tape was reveiwed when the kids tried to get me fired. Yes I did the right thing as the firemen,sherrifs department and administration let me know after review.Some off them were parents to the students on my bus at the time.
    A bit of history behind that particular route.They had another driver previously change driving routes. This particular route made a turnaround just out of the county line (becasuse of a safe road turnaround issue) and took on quite a few students(A good 40 plus). Several which were kicked out of their previous schools.

    The video the district took was for overall safety issues first. They could be watched by the driver and superior to try to sort through student issues occuring on the bus and discuss disaplanary actions. I learned to appreciate the vidios because I was busy driving watching the road and stops first. I couldn't see everything the students were doing at all times. I learned that some of my better students weren't always as they seemed. Seating arrangements were made for those that needed to be kept from certain others to have a more manageable bus with less incidents/distractons.
    Parents aren't supposed to step onto the bus and give the bus driver the what for about thier children But, I have had them do so on more than one occasion. The procedure is to contact the bus garage and talk to the supervisor. The larger percent of parents are reasonable people. However there is usually that smaller group who will tell you how it is and that is why the videos aren't allowed to be viewed without the lawyer issues. Yes I can understand the parent wanting to see what is happening to know if it is the student or the driver, other students with the actual problem. But the school needs to protect the rights of the others whose parents haven't given permission of thier children to be viewed publicly. Legalalities aren't always easily understood.
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    Once when I got in trouble in school because of something on the bus. They were threatening me cause they thought I was lying and they said they would check the tape. I said so check it. Then they admitted they only somethimes put a tape in the vid camera. I was not happy.
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    Yes not all buses in my district always have an active camera due to the expence. My route had one at all times because of its not so great history. Even before I started driving it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blistering Winds View Post
    In my opinion, it should be allowed that a parent of a child on that bus should be allowed to view it with administrators. ESPECIALLY if a child is getting kicked off the bus. I want to see and know what the heck is happening.

    Nothing is "secret" on a bus. Windows are wide open. ANYONE can drive by and see who is on the bus, who is driving the bus, and any antics that goes on. So why is a video that shows the middle aisle such a secret?

    I can see not allowing any release to the news. But I cannot understand why they cannot confirm that the parent is of a child on that bus, and allow that parent to view their child's behavior on the bus.
    I totally agree with you! I drove a bus for a year and I knew that whenever my key turned on, the camera was up and running, videos were changed out every couple of days and stored for one week in case an issue came up and the videos were needed. I think the privacy thing has gone too far! So get both parents involved in watching the tape, or get the parents and the driver in question together and watch it. Drivers have a tough job to do. They aren't perfect, they have bad days too! But, they have to be mature about it and not threaten kids.

    My kids went to public school for one year and it will never happen again! The school had three cameras that rotated around 17 to 20 busses, the others were "dummies". My kids were tormented, shoved out of seats, clothing ripped, etc... I spoke to the bus barn supervisor, and the kids' driver was the driver trainer for that location . I would have loved to have her on tape!!
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    I believe the parents LAWYER should have thr right to view the tapes but not the parents themselves. An independant legal party is one thing but allowing parents to view the tapes on demand could lead to all sorts of problems and abuse of the system. The tapes are there for professional parties to view in the case of a suspected incident, not for parents.
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    I understand what you guys are saying, however this child is being "accused" of something. And in my opinion, under those circumstances, the parent should be allowed to see the "evidence" of the so called "crime" being committed that is causing a 7 yr old to come home saying he's being kicked off the school bus and being told he will be "Spanked" by the bus driver. Whether it occurred or not, a parent shouldn't have to get a lawyer just to see what is needed to be corrected on either side. Cause if I saw a video and my kid was lying to me, OH MY....she'd be in SOOOOO much trouble. But parents do tend to try to "believe" their kids. Not all kids are liars and get out of being in trouble. Shoot, my 8 yr old tells me about her problems before I get any notification from the teacher. So if she tells me she didn't do anything wrong, I'd be right with this mother demanding the proof. Knowing ONE of the CISD bus drivers personally, and I hope it wasn't him that is involved, I could easily believe he might accidently let the "spanking" comment slip if he was tired/stressed out.

    Why should I have to shell out $1500 for a lawyer to request the video to see and know what my kid is doing if it is so bad to be kicked off the bus system? Why can't the school board put something in place to allow situations where there is a major issue to be viewed by the parties involved.....she doesn't have to see the whole bus ride, just the crime being committed. Who is or is not on the bus is practically public anyways if you are a parent and "involved" in your kid's life. I can name 15 kids on my daughter's bus right now. I know who is absent when I am at the bus stop because I can see EVERYONE on the bus without stepping foot onto the bus. So why is it so "private".?? And I'm sorry, "VIDEOS" of my child should be allowed to be viewed by the parents. that is My CHILD in that video. I should not need a lawyer to view anything that involved MY CHILD on VIDEO. But that is just my opinion on the situation.

    Like I said, I've been accused by the bus driver before for things I did not do in the past. We didn't have video cameras then, or the witch would have had her head smacked because I wasn't even ON the bus 2 of those days.
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