Training with a Bicycle Chain?

gentle touch · 01-07-2005, 05:28 PM

I thought I wanted to become a certified coach. Nearing the end of my program, I went for my lesson a saw my certified coach train a horse with his mouth tied shut with a bicycle chain. I reported her to the Canadian Equestrian Federation & was told "that there was nothing wrong with the training method, if it doesn't draw blood, it is not inhuman". I quit the CEF program feeling ashamed that they felt this way. Any opinions on this?

John · 01-07-2005, 05:35 PM

Who in the CEF did you report this to?

*Psylocke* · 01-07-2005, 05:43 PM

I would report it again and again until I was heard......I would also be the type to take incospicuous pictures if what I saw disturbed me! YAY zoom lenses! I went through my rider levels (western) and such in NB/NS and dealt....with some great officials and some....others. I am curious about who you spoke to....u can pm me if u like, where in ns are you?

Psy

equineluver14 · 01-07-2005, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gentle touch

if it doesn't draw blood, it is not inhuman". I quit the CEF program feeling ashamed that they felt this way. Any opinions on this?

Jesus help us all. If that isn't the stupidest thing I ever did hear! I could bash my horse on the head with a baseball bat and it might not draw blood, but does that doesn't make it NOT inhumane??!!! I don't think so. This person u talked to sounds phony If I were u I'd call again.

CrazyHorse · 01-07-2005, 06:24 PM

That's horrible! I want my horses to respect me, not FEAR me.

MissBandit · 01-07-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John

Who in the CEF did you report this to?

Yes, I'd quite like to know this as well.

denise davis · 01-07-2005, 09:42 PM

I have an opinion on that, but I better not put it in print!

kddoublink · 01-08-2005, 02:52 AM

What the heck is wrong with that person? Like, I would never have even thought of doing something so horrible like that. I just couldn't even believe it when I read this post. People can be so stupid!

"I quit the CEF program feeling ashamed that they felt this way."

I would have quit too, don't feel ashamed. Any kind/caring/humane rider would have done the same thing.

Blistering Winds · 01-08-2005, 07:13 AM

There are many hackamores that are STILL made today out of bicycle chains. Have you ever had one wrapped around you? It doesn't pinch nor bite. At least the one's I've seen.

Now I wouldn't use one, but if it isn't hurting them, then no, the associations aren't going to do anything about them. Now if he was BEATING the horse, then yes, they might do something about it.

Though I'm trying to figure out why he didn't just use a caveson instead. Probably would have been ten times easier to put on than a bike chain....

CowGirlUp1833 · 01-08-2005, 07:40 AM

Oh my..... I still don't understand things like this. I'm far from a professinal, but I don't need to use all that stuff, and my horses still turn out fine.... Can't these people accomplish what they want without the use of "devices" like this? I think anyone who actually knows what they are doing, should be able to find more logical solutions..... ugh....

01-07-2005, 05:28 PM	#1
gentle touch Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 9	Training with a Bicycle Chain? I thought I wanted to become a certified coach. Nearing the end of my program, I went for my lesson a saw my certified coach train a horse with his mouth tied shut with a bicycle chain. I reported her to the Canadian Equestrian Federation & was told "that there was nothing wrong with the training method, if it doesn't draw blood, it is not inhuman". I quit the CEF program feeling ashamed that they felt this way. Any opinions on this?

01-07-2005, 05:43 PM	#3
Psylocke Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: I.....AM....CANADIAN! Posts: 5,159 Images: 70 Blog Entries: 32	I would report it again and again until I was heard......I would also be the type to take incospicuous pictures if what I saw disturbed me! YAY zoom lenses! I went through my rider levels (western) and such in NB/NS and dealt....with some great officials and some....others. I am curious about who you spoke to....u can pm me if u like, where in ns are you? Psy __________________ You just have to consider the possibility that everyone else may be wrong -- Sean Penn I've been snowballed.....twice!

01-07-2005, 06:24 PM	#5
CrazyHorse Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Florence, Mississippi Posts: 10,947 Images: 656	That's horrible! I want my horses to respect me, not FEAR me. __________________ Don't fight the hands that hold you... God is so big He can cover the whole world with his Love and so small He can curl up inside your heart. I've been blessed by the Snow Fairy too many times to count! I've been gobbled many times over by Thom Turkey!

01-07-2005, 09:42 PM	#7
denise davis Full Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 224	Training with a bicycle chain? I have an opinion on that, but I better not put it in print!

01-08-2005, 02:52 AM	#8
kddoublink Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 950 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 2	What the heck is wrong with that person? Like, I would never have even thought of doing something so horrible like that. I just couldn't even believe it when I read this post. People can be so stupid! "I quit the CEF program feeling ashamed that they felt this way." I would have quit too, don't feel ashamed. Any kind/caring/humane rider would have done the same thing. __________________ You dream of it & in your dreams is has a mane & tail flying hooves covered in feathers that whisper to the grass as it gallops past. A language that speaks to your soul.

01-07-2005, 05:35 PM	#2
John Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 3,747 Images: 60	Who in the CEF did you report this to?

01-08-2005, 07:13 AM	#9
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 32,425 Images: 864 Blog Entries: 18	There are many hackamores that are STILL made today out of bicycle chains. Have you ever had one wrapped around you? It doesn't pinch nor bite. At least the one's I've seen. Now I wouldn't use one, but if it isn't hurting them, then no, the associations aren't going to do anything about them. Now if he was BEATING the horse, then yes, they might do something about it. Though I'm trying to figure out why he didn't just use a caveson instead. Probably would have been ten times easier to put on than a bike chain.... __________________ Can I have a midlife crisis now?

01-08-2005, 07:40 AM	#10
CowGirlUp1833 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: On the Lake Michigan Shoreline Posts: 17,367 Images: 438 Blog Entries: 41	Oh my..... I still don't understand things like this. I'm far from a professinal, but I don't need to use all that stuff, and my horses still turn out fine.... Can't these people accomplish what they want without the use of "devices" like this? I think anyone who actually knows what they are doing, should be able to find more logical solutions..... ugh....

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