Tobiano or tovero?

Sandra-A1 · 06-22-2005, 10:16 AM

Okay folks... here is MY take on this...

The dark marking on the HEAD & NECK is what will be the deciding factor for you.
If the dark color on the head extends down the front of the neck and CONNECTS to the dark on the chest (which I cannot tell in the photos you posted) then the foal is a TOBIANO. The dark color on the head extending down and connecting to the dark color on the chest is what forms the "shield"
If there is white on the front of the neck, separating the dark color on the chest from the dark color on the head, then the foal is a TOVERO.

3WishesDun · 06-22-2005, 10:31 AM

http://www.horsequest.com/journal/educate/homogene.html

good link for genetics behind tovero coat color-

cowboy&me · 06-22-2005, 10:45 AM

I would say shes a tobiano

arabiangirl171 · 06-22-2005, 10:46 AM

Well I think tovero, since she has that marking on her lower flank (sorry forgot where that's called) Does she also have any blue eyes? It says that on the apha site also.

Appylvr · 06-22-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BestofPrincess

she may not be tovero but she has more than tobiano, a true tobiano will not have any white on the face

Tobianos can have white on their faces, it says right in the APHA description for a Toby that their face white is of a solid colored horse. So, a blaze, star, stripe, snip..... any goes. They can't have the apron face of an overo...

Appylvr · 06-22-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba

"Sabino" is responsible for that white under the jaw, not overo

. To confuse matters, though, some "high white" sabinos with white freckled bellies will be registered as Overos. Most registries don't register according to genetic patterns, though, just the observable patterns (new genetic info happens so fast, it would really be impractical for them to keep up).

Anyway, I would call her a tobiano, given your choices

(although that sabino gene could be causing more white on the faces of your baby's siblings, to cause them to be closer to tovero than tobiano). I think your little girl is closer to tobiano, though, and very cute!

There are 3 types of overo.... 1) Frame, 2) Sabino, and 3) Splash. So in fact Overo is responsible...

Daisy6055 · 06-22-2005, 05:00 PM

Well I will try and answer all the questions.

1) I do have pics of the stud but not on my comp. But i will try to get some.
2) no she does not have any blue eyes. Neither does the father or other foals.
3) No the dark head does not connect to the chest.
4)She has a normaly marked head EXCEPT for the white that runs under her chin to under her jowl.
5) I will try to post somemore pics so you can get the best idea of what she looks like.

I really appreciate all of your help, she has really got me stumped!

kelli · 06-22-2005, 05:14 PM

i think he is a tovero dont count me on thatthou

Quart-O-Paint · 06-23-2005, 03:38 AM

Looks tobiano to me, looks sorrta like mine.

06-22-2005, 10:16 AM	#21
Sandra-A1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,427 Images: 225	Okay folks... here is MY take on this... The dark marking on the HEAD & NECK is what will be the deciding factor for you. If the dark color on the head extends down the front of the neck and CONNECTS to the dark on the chest (which I cannot tell in the photos you posted) then the foal is a TOBIANO. The dark color on the head extending down and connecting to the dark color on the chest is what forms the "shield" If there is white on the front of the neck, separating the dark color on the chest from the dark color on the head, then the foal is a TOVERO. __________________ "It is our choices Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." ~Dumbledore

06-22-2005, 10:31 AM	#22
3WishesDun Senior Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: At My Wit's End Posts: 16,496 Images: 650 Blog Entries: 27	http://www.horsequest.com/journal/educate/homogene.html good link for genetics behind tovero coat color- __________________ Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep. -Frost SCHWEELS, BABY, SCHWEELS!

06-22-2005, 10:46 AM	#24
arabiangirl171 Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in my guitar amp, it's quite comfy in here. Posts: 1,108 Images: 25	Well I think tovero, since she has that marking on her lower flank (sorry forgot where that's called) Does she also have any blue eyes? It says that on the apha site also. __________________ WET PAINT This is not an instruction

06-23-2005, 03:38 AM	#29
Quart-O-Paint Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Images: 5	Looks tobiano to me, looks sorrta like mine. __________________ "My Woman, the Horses, the Cat and Me"!

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06-22-2005, 10:45 AM	#23
cowboy&me Full Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NE Florida Posts: 96	I would say shes a tobiano

06-22-2005, 05:00 PM	#27
Daisy6055 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: High Springs,FL Posts: 550 Images: 31	Well I will try and answer all the questions. 1) I do have pics of the stud but not on my comp. But i will try to get some. 2) no she does not have any blue eyes. Neither does the father or other foals. 3) No the dark head does not connect to the chest. 4)She has a normaly marked head EXCEPT for the white that runs under her chin to under her jowl. 5) I will try to post somemore pics so you can get the best idea of what she looks like. I really appreciate all of your help, she has really got me stumped!

06-22-2005, 05:14 PM	#28
kelli Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: ontario, canada Posts: 346 Images: 142	i think he is a tovero dont count me on thatthou