[JetdecksComet]

Bwah ha ha, I didn't know that about the JC. Glad to know the APHA isn't the only screwed-up registry out there!

What's confusing about the APHA... since they are a color-based breed registry, you would think they would want to go in-depth about the genetics of each particular horses. *shrug*

Anyhow, back on topic: Yup, I agree with all the others that the foal is definitlely a tovero. Same reasons. Massive amount of white on the face is a dead giveaway.

[RiddleMeThis]

No they want to keep creating hassles for themselves. they want to keep fighting with owners when the register a LWO positive horse as a tobiano and then the "tobiano" has an obviously overo baby by/out of another tobiano.

[Paxo]

The term Tovero needs to be dumped, its ludicris with current education. SO many horses could be "hiding" frame and other patterns, just register the obivious if its tobiano, of course if its not tobiano its overo... and if its APHA registered it sould be a requirement by the age of 3 to have LWO testing reguardless of pattern. They need someone with some education in the office.

[RiddleMeThis]

Then what about horses who are obviously tobiano and some overo? Just register them as overo and then have the same problems when they have a just tobiano foal?

The best way to go is just register the horse as what it is, tobiano and frame, just frame, just tobiano, just splash, splash and frame, etc etc etc. If they do that then tovero can go, but until then getting rid of tovero does nothing to help.

[JBandRio]

The problem is with Splash since you can't test for it and some of the phenotype identification is educated guessing. I do agree with the Frame and Tobi though - can test, so that's what they should be listed as.

As with the JC, much of this could be solved with having a genotype box and a phenotype box. Sure would make things easier with gray

[Paxo]

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

Then what about horses who are obviously tobiano and some overo? Just register them as overo and then have the same problems when they have a just tobiano foal?

The best way to go is just register the horse as what it is, tobiano and frame, just frame, just tobiano, just splash, splash and frame, etc etc etc. If they do that then tovero can go, but until then getting rid of tovero does nothing to help.

I have a solution registration for APHA should read Tobiano and NON-Tobiano LOL problem solved with all APHA registered horses of breeding age required to be LWO tested!

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Paxo

I have a solution registration for APHA should read Tobiano and NON-Tobiano LOL problem solved with all APHA registered horses of breeding age required to be LWO tested!

But what happens when two tobianos produce a "non-tobiano" or when two "non tobianos" produce a tobiano?

[Paxo]

its a no brainer, thinking to hard, tobiano produces non-tobianos now, registered non-tobiano, and if non's produce one well them someone was registered wrong, there is better testing for that now.

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Paxo

and if non's produce one well them someone was registered wrong, there is better testing for that now.

That is exactly the point. It will just create the same problems. You are just changing the name from overo to non tobiano. It changes nothing but the name. You still run into the same problems as you do with overo and tobiano just now with a different name.

You still will have APHA registering things wrong and and then have problems when their mistakes show.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by Paxo

its a no brainer, thinking to hard, tobiano produces non-tobianos now, registered non-tobiano, and if non's produce one well them someone was registered wrong, there is better testing for that now.

What do you do when a horse has all three patterns of overo plus the tobiano gene but you cannot see it?

Plus how does that help when you have a horse that is homozygous for tobiano plus has LWO... it is still tobiano and STILL OVERO....