Tobiano... or... Overo?

JBandRio · 08-15-2007, 01:07 PM

Well if Overo is an option, that's just a summary term for Sabino and Frame and Splash, so what then?

I understand you don't make the rules

Acme Acres · 08-15-2007, 01:33 PM

Who's to decide if a horse is a sabino or a splash? There's a LOT of things that need to change with the registries. Sabino is one of the biggest ones. Call (or mail) APHA and ask them how they can register Conclusions Playboy as a Red Roan and don't drink anything when you're listening or reading their answer. You'll get "because it's the most dominate "color". And that's where I start shaking my head. But yet they'll make someone re-classify their buckskin to a dun because he throws duns. Our registration papers will have to go to landscape though if we can register with multiple patterns though

JBandRio · 08-15-2007, 01:43 PM

LOL, it's easy. List the visible phenotype, and then require the DNA results be attached so the genotype is also known

Acme Acres · 08-15-2007, 01:46 PM

Tell that to Lex! The only problem is he'd want APHA to issue a hair collection kit like they do DNA and charge you 50x the cost of having it done yourself. Can you tell Im PMS'ing????? Not a good combo when it's 109 outside.

TagandKiss · 08-15-2007, 01:54 PM

aww he reminds me of my gelding. he a reg. pinto as tobiano. so i say tobiano.

JetdecksComet · 08-15-2007, 02:02 PM

In a perfect world a horse would be registered with a phenotype and genotype. However, we can't until there are more tests. In the meantime...

The Pinto registry should register toveros along with overos and tobianos. This horse is obviously a tovero and that should be desiginated on the papers.

Anyhoo... the horse in question should probably be listed as a tobiano under the current Pinto rules. And Acme is correct... this foal can't be registered as a Paint due to the sire being registered as a Pinto only.

Acme Acres · 08-15-2007, 02:15 PM

Jet, my guess is that many breeds don't have Overos, therefore it's best to limit it to just Overo and Tobi. I don't think Pinto will put notes on their pedigrees like APHA does.

ginger102005 · 08-15-2007, 02:17 PM

Thansk everyone!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acme Acres

No JB, you have only two choices on Pinto. Don't really see something wrong with that. APHA requires you to pick on too if you want to show color classes. Ginger, Im sorry, he couldn't be APHA since dad's only PtHA.

Thanks, I thought so, but it never hurts to ask!

JetdecksComet · 08-15-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acme Acres

Jet, my guess is that many breeds don't have Overos, therefore it's best to limit it to just Overo and Tobi. I don't think Pinto will put notes on their pedigrees like APHA does.

Thanks Acme... I'm not very familiar with the Pinto registry...

ivyschex · 08-15-2007, 03:17 PM

Tobiano. If white crosses the spine (back) it is tobiano.

Ivy

08-15-2007, 01:07 PM	#11
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 23,439 Images: 143 Blog Entries: 12	Well if Overo is an option, that's just a summary term for Sabino and Frame and Splash, so what then? I understand you don't make the rules __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

08-15-2007, 01:33 PM	#12
Acme Acres Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,215 Images: 419	Who's to decide if a horse is a sabino or a splash? There's a LOT of things that need to change with the registries. Sabino is one of the biggest ones. Call (or mail) APHA and ask them how they can register Conclusions Playboy as a Red Roan and don't drink anything when you're listening or reading their answer. You'll get "because it's the most dominate "color". And that's where I start shaking my head. But yet they'll make someone re-classify their buckskin to a dun because he throws duns. Our registration papers will have to go to landscape though if we can register with multiple patterns though __________________ *Acme Acres* Home of Reflections Playboy & ShowHorseSupplies.com www.azpainthorses.com Heavenly Jumper's PE

08-15-2007, 01:43 PM	#13
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 23,439 Images: 143 Blog Entries: 12	LOL, it's easy. List the visible phenotype, and then require the DNA results be attached so the genotype is also known __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

08-15-2007, 01:46 PM	#14
Acme Acres Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,215 Images: 419	Tell that to Lex! The only problem is he'd want APHA to issue a hair collection kit like they do DNA and charge you 50x the cost of having it done yourself. Can you tell Im PMS'ing????? Not a good combo when it's 109 outside. __________________ *Acme Acres* Home of Reflections Playboy & ShowHorseSupplies.com www.azpainthorses.com Heavenly Jumper's PE

08-15-2007, 01:54 PM	#15
TagandKiss Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,149 Images: 75	aww he reminds me of my gelding. he a reg. pinto as tobiano. so i say tobiano. __________________ http://webpages.charter.net/gier00/fallanhope Proud Member of the Paint Club!!

08-15-2007, 02:02 PM	#16
JetdecksComet Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 343 Images: 1	In a perfect world a horse would be registered with a phenotype and genotype. However, we can't until there are more tests. In the meantime... The Pinto registry should register toveros along with overos and tobianos. This horse is obviously a tovero and that should be desiginated on the papers. Anyhoo... the horse in question should probably be listed as a tobiano under the current Pinto rules. And Acme is correct... this foal can't be registered as a Paint due to the sire being registered as a Pinto only.

08-15-2007, 02:15 PM	#17
Acme Acres Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,215 Images: 419	Jet, my guess is that many breeds don't have Overos, therefore it's best to limit it to just Overo and Tobi. I don't think Pinto will put notes on their pedigrees like APHA does. __________________ *Acme Acres* Home of Reflections Playboy & ShowHorseSupplies.com www.azpainthorses.com Heavenly Jumper's PE

08-15-2007, 03:17 PM	#20
ivyschex Full Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: north western Illinois Posts: 238 Images: 96 Blog Entries: 6	Tobiano. If white crosses the spine (back) it is tobiano. Ivy __________________ Check out Ivy's Horse Training at http://www.ivyshorses.com ~Horses for Sale ~Horse Training Tips

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