To get color

mustang_dodger · 05-05-2008, 04:42 PM

some time in the future i would like to breed my mare again. this time though i would like to get color. i would like to get a black and white. if you guys could help me find a stallion i would love it. here are pictures of my mare feather.

Canadian Sage · 05-05-2008, 05:01 PM

You are never guaranteed color when breeding paints..the only way you can be is if you breed to a homozygous stallion.

JBandRio · 05-05-2008, 05:07 PM

What "color" exactly? Tobiano? Frame?

Your mare looks to be a (nearly) maximally expressed Sabino plus Splash. The max Sabino will make it a little more difficult, though certainly not impossible, to get (more) dark color on a foal. But just as not-impossible is a foal who has very little white anywhere - depends on what exactly is causing all her white.

Your ONLY guarantee of a pattern in to breed to a homozygous Tobiano. But even then, depending on what else the stallion has going on, and depending on exactly what's going on with your mare, you could still end up with a mostly white foal.

You have no guarantees breeding to a Frame.

As for the black - what color is your mare under all that white? I can't tell if she is bay or black. If she's black, then to guarantee black you'd need a homozygous black stallion. If she's bay, there is no guarantee of black. You could at least guarantee bay OR black by using a homozygous black stallion.

Horsefeathers3 · 05-05-2008, 05:09 PM

I'd say your best bet is to find a nice paint that is homozygous for black and homozygous tobiano. What would you like to get from her next foal? Any particular disciplines in mind? I can see she needs a stud with a longer,thinner neck and a nice shoulder to improve hers, but are there any flaws of hers that you would personally like to improve upon?

mustang_dodger · 05-05-2008, 05:15 PM

well she is registered at a black overo. i would like to have a halter/pleasure baby. i have a stallion in mind. i really like might fine hustler. i have seen him in person and fell in love with him.
http://circlesstockfarms.homestead.com/stallions.html

Horsefeathers3 · 05-05-2008, 05:20 PM

Hubba hubba I like him, and he looks like he could both halter and ride. I like the looks of his foals, too. Has either he or your mare been tested for OLWS though?

mustang_dodger · 05-05-2008, 05:24 PM

my mare that i know of hasn't. not sure about him.

mustang_dodger · 05-05-2008, 05:25 PM

so far the foals feather has had have been solids. a sorrel and a black.

JBandRio · 05-05-2008, 05:29 PM

Ok, the fact that she's had a sorrel means she is not homozygous black, so if your goal is black (behind a well-conformed foal

) then the stallion needs to be homozygous black to rule out chestnut, and needs to be black himself (not just a guess, genetically proven to be black) to avoid a possible bay.

mustang_dodger · 05-05-2008, 06:21 PM

i'm talking with her old owner and just found out that feather is tovero

05-05-2008, 04:42 PM	#1
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinios Posts: 14,427 Images: 348	To get color some time in the future i would like to breed my mare again. this time though i would like to get color. i would like to get a black and white. if you guys could help me find a stallion i would love it. here are pictures of my mare feather. __________________ Proud owner of Smart Devil a registered appendix, and registered paint mare Eye's White Feather.

05-05-2008, 05:07 PM	#3
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 19,665 Images: 121 Blog Entries: 12	What "color" exactly? Tobiano? Frame? Your mare looks to be a (nearly) maximally expressed Sabino plus Splash. The max Sabino will make it a little more difficult, though certainly not impossible, to get (more) dark color on a foal. But just as not-impossible is a foal who has very little white anywhere - depends on what exactly is causing all her white. Your ONLY guarantee of a pattern in to breed to a homozygous Tobiano. But even then, depending on what else the stallion has going on, and depending on exactly what's going on with your mare, you could still end up with a mostly white foal. You have no guarantees breeding to a Frame. As for the black - what color is your mare under all that white? I can't tell if she is bay or black. If she's black, then to guarantee black you'd need a homozygous black stallion. If she's bay, there is no guarantee of black. You could at least guarantee bay OR black by using a homozygous black stallion. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

05-05-2008, 05:09 PM	#4
Horsefeathers3 Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,040 Images: 51	I'd say your best bet is to find a nice paint that is homozygous for black and homozygous tobiano. What would you like to get from her next foal? Any particular disciplines in mind? I can see she needs a stud with a longer,thinner neck and a nice shoulder to improve hers, but are there any flaws of hers that you would personally like to improve upon? __________________ -Chelsea Secretary of the Player Fan Club

05-05-2008, 05:15 PM	#5
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinios Posts: 14,427 Images: 348	well she is registered at a black overo. i would like to have a halter/pleasure baby. i have a stallion in mind. i really like might fine hustler. i have seen him in person and fell in love with him. http://circlesstockfarms.homestead.com/stallions.html __________________ Proud owner of Smart Devil a registered appendix, and registered paint mare Eye's White Feather.

05-05-2008, 05:20 PM	#6
Horsefeathers3 Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,040 Images: 51	Hubba hubba I like him, and he looks like he could both halter and ride. I like the looks of his foals, too. Has either he or your mare been tested for OLWS though? __________________ -Chelsea Secretary of the Player Fan Club

05-05-2008, 05:24 PM	#7
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinios Posts: 14,427 Images: 348	my mare that i know of hasn't. not sure about him. __________________ Proud owner of Smart Devil a registered appendix, and registered paint mare Eye's White Feather.

05-05-2008, 05:25 PM	#8
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinios Posts: 14,427 Images: 348	so far the foals feather has had have been solids. a sorrel and a black. __________________ Proud owner of Smart Devil a registered appendix, and registered paint mare Eye's White Feather.

05-05-2008, 05:29 PM	#9
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 19,665 Images: 121 Blog Entries: 12	Ok, the fact that she's had a sorrel means she is not homozygous black, so if your goal is black (behind a well-conformed foal ) then the stallion needs to be homozygous black to rule out chestnut, and needs to be black himself (not just a guess, genetically proven to be black) to avoid a possible bay. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

05-05-2008, 06:21 PM	#10
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinios Posts: 14,427 Images: 348	i'm talking with her old owner and just found out that feather is tovero __________________ Proud owner of Smart Devil a registered appendix, and registered paint mare Eye's White Feather.

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