[lucky_pine]

Originally Posted by TrueColoursFarm

GG thanks you all for saying such nice things about his "booty"!!!

But I do agree ... if a halter horse is also in your plans, stick with the APHA and AQHA stallions. I cant think of one single TB stallion that could ever produce a winning halter baby! But then again - I cant see a successful halter horse being a success at barrels either ...

Have fun deciding!

I beg to differ.

Baby stood no worse than third in every single speed class she was in. She placed 1st out of over 30 horses in a single class. Every class she was in that involved SPEED, there were at least 25 more horses entered.
Hard to believe? And she stood reserve champion halter mare out of 22 other horses. 2nd out of 16 in her other halter class. Against halter horses. But then again, she is a halter mare







And people. Halter on LOCAL OPEN SHOW levels.
And on our LOCAL OPEN SHOW levels, the taller, more performance built horses are WINNING. That's why I'm not showing on our local open show levels. She isn't performance built. It'd be nice to have one that will show and place in the local levels also.
I OWN my APHA halter mare. I don't need another.

I am aiming almost 100% towards SPEED, not halter.
What I meant by my first comment, to stand in halter then win in speed, means basically that it has CONFO.

[lilrider]

Did you like any of the guys I posted?

[TrueColoursFarm]

Sorry!!!

I was always led to believe that one the halter careers were over 99.9% of the successful horses went into the breeding shed after that as they werent able to be competitive in any other other areas.

I stand corrected ...

The things you learn around here ...

[tightpaycheck]

Originally Posted by TrueColoursFarm

Sorry!!!

I was always led to believe that one the halter careers were over 99.9% of the successful horses went into the breeding shed after that as they werent able to be competitive in any other other areas.

I stand corrected ...

The things you learn around here ...

No, I think you are correct...on a breed level. If you are showing on a local level it doesn't really matter as much.The same horse that finishes year end champion at the local shows might not ever get placed showing AQHA or APHA. Most point earning halter horses don't do anything else, though. Maybe a good halter horse should be able to do other things, but they are still few and far between. I like to think it is swinging back to the all- around horse.

[ryu2832]

Instead of guessing at what TB stallion crosses well with paint/QH background for speed, why don't you look up the peds of the winning appendixes to see what stallions they used?

I will also caution that following a breeding trend that is currently the 'hot' horse, usually means that you are behind the game when your horse is ready to go in 5-6 years.

She looks like a nice mare, I would develop a breeding plan based on your vision of the perfect horse rather than chasing after the current trend.

good luck

[lucky_pine]

What I'm seeing in the halter world is the all around horse. That's what I'm hoping to see now anyways. One that can stand in halter (like Babe) and then win in performance (like Babe)
Most do go right into the breeding shed.

But that doesn't mean that because it's a halter horse, it can't do anything else.

And lilrider, there are a couple I'm looking into. Thank you!

[lucky_pine]

Originally Posted by ryu2832

Instead of guessing at what TB stallion crosses well with paint/QH background for speed, why don't you look up the peds of the winning appendixes to see what stallions they used?

I will also caution that following a breeding trend that is currently the 'hot' horse, usually means that you are behind the game when your horse is ready to go in 5-6 years.

She looks like a nice mare, I would develop a breeding plan based on your vision of the perfect horse rather than chasing after the current trend.

good luck

I'm going after what I want.
Not a trend.
Appendixes have been winning for a while. If I were following the trend I wouldn't have used thoroughbreds as a last resort.
I looking into foundation first. Then quarters and paints. Then...oh boy...appaloosas.

And whether it's hot now or not....5-6 years from now the appendixes will still have speed.
Keep in mind...barrels are about SPEED. Not a certain look. Like in halter classes there are trends. Started off performance, then HUGE horses, now we seem to be getting into the more performance based again.

Speed is speed. It's there whether its an appendix or a foundation.
It's HOW to ACHIEVE it that matters.
My mare has the speed.
I need a little less substance on the foal. A little bit more lean.
A thoroughbred will give me that. Appendix or not.

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by lucky_pine

I'm going after what I want.
Not a trend.
Appendixes have been winning for a while. If I were following the trend I wouldn't have used thoroughbreds as a last resort.
I looking into foundation first. Then quarters and paints. Then...oh boy...appaloosas.

And whether it's hot now or not....5-6 years from now the appendixes will still have speed.
Keep in mind...barrels are about SPEED. Not a certain look. Like in halter classes there are trends. Started off performance, then HUGE horses, now we seem to be getting into the more performance based again.

Speed is speed. It's there whether its an appendix or a foundation.
It's HOW to ACHIEVE it that matters.
My mare has the speed.
I need a little less substance on the foal. A little bit more lean.
A thoroughbred will give me that. Appendix or not.

I did a little pedigree break down on allbreed. I pulled the top two placers from the first 5 events in the 2006 national barrel racing. None were 1/2 TB. On average the winning horses were more than 3/4 QH, most were 7/8 QH one was 100% QH.

Of the gene pools used for TB blood Bold Ruler was #1 and Nasrullah the next.

The majority of the top barrel horses have Jet Deck or Dash for Cash blood. (Both are downhill in conformation.)

If speed in barrel racing is your main concern, I would go get the fastest Jet Deck or Dash for Cash bred stallion you can afford.

My sport horse conformation text lists the following physical traits as important for speed in barrel racing:
Large nostrils
Clean throat latch
Strong sloping shoulder (for good forward reach)
Short back and loins
Clean legs with short cannons
Long and deep hindquarters

On the local level if you are seeing appendixes winning now, my best guess is that it is hybrid vigor effect, and the effect will dilute out in the next 2 generations.

good luck

[minnie_mouse]

lucky pine...i found some LOVELY TB stallions from over here, i dont know what the deal would be...but worth a look?

'MIND GAMES'
Bay 1992 - 16.0hh, By Puissance - Aryaf

"A trail-brazing, five-furlong speed merchant" - TIMEFORM


CHAMPION 3YO SPRINTER, IN BRITAIN IN 1995, AND 2ND TOP 3YO SPRINT COLT IN EUROPE.




'CARROWKEEL'

at 2 years old won over £115,000 (about $250,000) waajib and Par un nez lines.




ill post some more in a bit.

[lilrider]

Minnie both of those guys look like they are downhill and she definatley doesn't want a downhill stallion. Thats why she is looking at Thoroughbreds as so many of the stockhorses over here are downhill.

Originally Posted by minnie_mouse

lucky pine...i found some LOVELY TB stallions from over here, i dont know what the deal would be...but worth a look?

'MIND GAMES'
Bay 1992 - 16.0hh, By Puissance - Aryaf

"A trail-brazing, five-furlong speed merchant" - TIMEFORM


CHAMPION 3YO SPRINTER, IN BRITAIN IN 1995, AND 2ND TOP 3YO SPRINT COLT IN EUROPE.




'CARROWKEEL'

at 2 years old won over £115,000 (about $250,000) waajib and Par un nez lines.




ill post some more in a bit.