[Kissitgoodbye]

Originally Posted by John

Why on earth would someone do that?

I hope you are being sarcastic

[MissCriss]

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All young dressage horses are FIRST taught to go forward, not in frame.

A frame right now would be the last thing I would work on. A submissive, happy horse for the owner would be the first thing on my list.

Originally Posted by John
Why on earth would someone do that?

I agree...LOL...that's sarcasm right, John? Please disregard me if I sounded rude, I am just genuinely curious if you really do think a frame comes before a horse being forward from their hindquarters and stretching over their back so that they are able to develop other aspects of riding before developing an advanced frame and collection. Talk to any distinguished hunter/jumper, eventer, dressage rider...that's generally what the best of them do.

Yepyep, I guess we all saw what chester meant , but then it broadened off into another similar topic lol! Nope, I don't think there was anything wrong done by chester.

[John]

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All young dressage horses are FIRST taught to go forward, not in frame.

A frame right now would be the last thing I would work on. A submissive, happy horse for the owner would be the first thing on my list.

I agree...LOL...that's sarcasm right, John? Please disregard me if I sounded rude, I am just genuinely curious if you really do think a frame comes before a horse being forward from their hindquarters and stretching over their back so that they are able to develop other aspects of riding before developing an advanced frame and collection. Talk to any distinguished hunter/jumper, eventer, dressage rider...that's generally what the best of them do.

Yepyep, I guess we all saw what chester meant , but then it broadened off into another similar topic lol! Nope, I don't think there was anything wrong done by chester.

Well kinda! But what about the other dressage camp that uses rollkur or deep and round depending on who you are talking to? Or reining or cutting etc.? Not everyone subscribes to the grazing method.

[MissCriss]

lol! Okay.

Grazing method????
As in...taking your time, or having their nose to the ground? Just in case you meant the second, riding long and low, to me, and to most I think, is actually a much more complex procedure than simply what it sounds like. The horse must also not have their nose down to the ground, and not pulling on the reins either. They should STRETCH over their topline so they can BEGIN to engage their hind end and articulate their joints more.

Most dressage people don't use rolkur, in my opinion. At least, that is what I have experienced. Every dressage person I have talked to was rather against it. Therefore, the huge uproar that went on when people found out Anky started using the method. I have also heard people be impartial to it. SOME amount of deep riding can be beneficial with a strong or stiff horse that is further along in their training. BUT, it should not be used in the wrong hands, and it should be used with careful timing. I personally would try to avoid ever, ever using it. I like to go the classical way. That's just me though.

[cutter123]

reiners tend to overbridle their horses quite a bit but most cutters i know could care less about frame