Stud has trouble penetrating mare

Palominogirl · 05-03-2008, 06:11 AM

My 12 year old stallion is an experienced & patient breeder; he can pasture and hand breed, and has even been collected on a phantom. I have a 5 year old mare who's never been bred. She knows the stallion. I have to tie her and put her in a homemade stock or she runs away and kicks him. In the stock she stands still but is uptight.

The problem is he has a lot of trouble penetrating her. I tie her tail back but he just struggles to find the right spot and penetrate. He has been successful a couple of times, but yesterday the poor guy just wore himself out without success. I even tried to help put it in to no avail. I do think she's tensed up so that doesn't help.

Anyone have suggestions?

Xiphias · 05-03-2008, 06:13 AM

Try some lubrication? like KY jelly.....has a vet palpated her, to make sure she is not obstructed?

Cathy

texasreb · 05-03-2008, 07:25 AM

Is she not fully in heat? The above suggestions also come to mind. KY can be a mare's (and stallion's) best friend!

Arabians4ME · 05-03-2008, 12:30 PM

I'll ask the first and obvious, just in case. I had a lady bring me a mare once and we went to breed her and saw that it obviously was not going to work....

But has she had or does she have a Caslicks in?

The mare I mentioned above had, had one taken out years before but a part of it had grown back together and made her 'unbreedable'.

Cntrysass20 · 05-03-2008, 02:48 PM

All I have to add to the above is OUCH!!

The next question would be how is the mare shaped in the vulva. We had a mare in for breeding whose vulva was tilted slightly up. So he had aim it up and almost bend it down to get it in. Does that make sense?

Jessie

Equine Repro · 05-03-2008, 04:05 PM

A couple of things come to mind here. First, if the mare has a persistent hymen, it could make it difficult to impossible for the stallion to penetrate. Additionally, never, ever use lubricant on the stallion or mare when breeding live cover. You stand the very real chance of the stallion's penis inadvertently "slipping" and penetrating the rectum. And, unfortunately, once he starts, he probably won't stop breeding and you run the risk of the stallion tearing the mare's rectum. So, lubricant is an absolute no no.

Lastly, you say the stallion has been collected. Why not collect the stallion and breed the mare AI?

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

texasreb · 05-04-2008, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equine Repro

A couple of things come to mind here. First, if the mare has a persistent hymen, it could make it difficult to impossible for the stallion to penetrate. Additionally, never, ever use lubricant on the stallion or mare when breeding live cover. You stand the very real chance of the stallion's penis inadvertently "slipping" and penetrating the rectum. And, unfortunately, once he starts, he probably won't stop breeding and you run the risk of the stallion tearing the mare's rectum. So, lubricant is an absolute no no.

Lastly, you say the stallion has been collected. Why not collect the stallion and breed the mare AI?

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

Well there you go. This seems to be the most learned advice. Follow it.

05-03-2008, 06:11 AM	#1
Palominogirl Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1	Stud has trouble penetrating mare My 12 year old stallion is an experienced & patient breeder; he can pasture and hand breed, and has even been collected on a phantom. I have a 5 year old mare who's never been bred. She knows the stallion. I have to tie her and put her in a homemade stock or she runs away and kicks him. In the stock she stands still but is uptight. The problem is he has a lot of trouble penetrating her. I tie her tail back but he just struggles to find the right spot and penetrate. He has been successful a couple of times, but yesterday the poor guy just wore himself out without success. I even tried to help put it in to no avail. I do think she's tensed up so that doesn't help. Anyone have suggestions?

05-03-2008, 06:13 AM	#2
Xiphias Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maryland, horse country USA Posts: 15,709 Images: 626 Blog Entries: 28	Try some lubrication? like KY jelly.....has a vet palpated her, to make sure she is not obstructed? Cathy __________________ Member COL Club- hand over the Oil of Olay and nobody gets hurt! Hopeless HGS Addict http://www.freewebs.com/xiphias21034/ I was on HGS the day we made 2 million posts

05-03-2008, 12:30 PM	#4
Arabians4ME Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Blountville, TN Posts: 4,091 Images: 1063	I'll ask the first and obvious, just in case. I had a lady bring me a mare once and we went to breed her and saw that it obviously was not going to work.... But has she had or does she have a Caslicks in? The mare I mentioned above had, had one taken out years before but a part of it had grown back together and made her 'unbreedable'. __________________ Jamie Unttouchable, Muscaskaia, Kararose, Karizmuh, Anteiaa's Legacy, Cassie, Rebel, Pete, Tab, Romance, Penny, and Ace!

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05-03-2008, 07:25 AM	#3
texasreb Full Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 79 Images: 2	Is she not fully in heat? The above suggestions also come to mind. KY can be a mare's (and stallion's) best friend!

05-03-2008, 02:48 PM	#5
Cntrysass20 Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 1,109 Images: 20	All I have to add to the above is OUCH!! The next question would be how is the mare shaped in the vulva. We had a mare in for breeding whose vulva was tilted slightly up. So he had aim it up and almost bend it down to get it in. Does that make sense? Jessie

05-03-2008, 04:05 PM	#6
Equine Repro Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wynnewood, Oklahoma Posts: 488 Images: 14	A couple of things come to mind here. First, if the mare has a persistent hymen, it could make it difficult to impossible for the stallion to penetrate. Additionally, never, ever use lubricant on the stallion or mare when breeding live cover. You stand the very real chance of the stallion's penis inadvertently "slipping" and penetrating the rectum. And, unfortunately, once he starts, he probably won't stop breeding and you run the risk of the stallion tearing the mare's rectum. So, lubricant is an absolute no no. Lastly, you say the stallion has been collected. Why not collect the stallion and breed the mare AI? Kathy St.Martin Equine Reproduction Short Courses http://www.equine-reproduction.com