Starting a young stallion for breeding

lilmisscowgrl · 06-10-2004, 10:08 AM

I need some suggestions for starting a young stallion on live cover. He is very well manored. I just know some techniques and would like a couple of suggestions. Also, while we are on this topic, How would you start a stallion to breed on a phantum?

HalterGirl_88 · 06-10-2004, 10:23 AM

First make sure that he has good ground manners and respect for a chain so when you do get ready to breed he knows when you tell him whoa or go. Make sure the first few breedings are to a very hot mare, and preferably one who's been bred a few times. This way the mare is receptive and won't move a lot while the stud is figuring things out. Have him finesse the mare a bit, don't just let him hop on and go. He should talk to her, nibble, etc. in preperation of getting himself ready. Be sure he is fully ready to go before he mounts, he should not be a limp noodle. Hhhmmm, that's all I can think of right now. There's also lots of tricks if he's not interested or sure of what to do. But you dont really know til you start trying to breed what that particular horse needs.

lilmisscowgrl · 06-10-2004, 10:29 AM

I have been told that some people start on one side of the horse for teasing or getting him ready. Then they will move to the other side of the horse letting the stud know it is ok to mount. I have handled several studs, all that were pro's at breeding.

Thanks for the info! Keep it coming.

QHGirl · 06-10-2004, 01:06 PM

If he has a hard time mounting the mare... use prince

ha ha!! Just kidding.

Not sure either, all the studs I know have been "experienced".

spyro1 · 06-10-2004, 04:50 PM

Man, we jsut went through all of this with my girlfriends 3 year old stud. talk about frusterating!! Be patient with him, chances are he may not know what to do or where to start. we like to use a red fuzzy halter noseband cover to let him know that it is *time* they catch on quick! His prob was not getting *ready* like he should, he would play, nibble, bite, then get frusterated and go limp. We just had to be patient. We also bred in the same quiet spot this year. No distractions. Def agree with using a hot easy breeding mare, one that you know will not kick at him. (We made the mistake of NOT doing this...) Nose to nose seemed to get him really hot too, instead of just sticking him in the rear!! Hmmm, let's see....oh, manners, don't be afraid to pull him away and walk him in circles if he is getting too rough, just don't get too rough with him, or he will see breeding as a neg thing.
My friends stud would try to mount before he was ready, we finally caught on that right before he went up, he would rub his head over her rump. If he wasn't ready, he didnt' get to go up!! On the phantoms, I am not sure on that one, we had a hard enough time getting him to cover live mares, let alone dummy ones!! LOL

lilmisscowgrl · 06-11-2004, 08:36 AM

thanks for the help! I do like the idea of using some sort of diff. nose band. Might need to try that. As far as prince is concerned, he is saving himself for Skinhead!!!

sunsetacres · 06-11-2004, 10:55 AM

We taught our TWH stallion when he was 3 ( he is now 7). He has specific ques and it NEVER changes. (remember: black and white for stallions, never grey)

1. We take the mare to him in his stall, he teases her to see if she's in. If she is in:
2. He gets his halter on and we use the lead shank with the chain (I never use a chain on him other than when breeding).
3. He comes out of his stall, teases (at a distance) to the mare and drops. I wash him.
4. He gets walked outside while I clean up and get the mare ready.
5. Bring the mare out for him.
6. Walk him to the left hind quarter of the mare (that way he is not directly behind her incase this is when she decides she really does not want to be bred! LOL)
7. He acts nice and talks to her. He is given the verbal command of "Ok get on up"
8. He is allowed to mount and breed the mare. (he is NOT allowed ever, to breed unless given that command. If he tries to, he is taken from the mare until ready to try again. The object with this is that if HE makes the decision and fails, then YOU make the decision and he is successful, he will look to you for the proper timeing and not mount recklessly).
9. He has also been taught "nevermind". That means stop talking to the mare and put it away.

He was never shy or dumb about what to do, the problem we had to cure with him is that he was a horrible striker. He would rear and strike above my husbands head (hubby is 6'2", Spot is 15.1). Very dangerous. He is not allowed to strike at all while being handled or he gets severly punished (shank , yell and drive backwards). Training a stallion is serious business, do it right the first time because they never forget.

06-10-2004, 10:08 AM	#1
lilmisscowgrl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Indpls. IN Posts: 684 Images: 48	Starting a young stallion for breeding I need some suggestions for starting a young stallion on live cover. He is very well manored. I just know some techniques and would like a couple of suggestions. Also, while we are on this topic, How would you start a stallion to breed on a phantum?

06-10-2004, 01:06 PM	#4
QHGirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 7,079 Images: 276	If he has a hard time mounting the mare... use prince ha ha!! Just kidding. Not sure either, all the studs I know have been "experienced". __________________ I must not forget to thank the difficult horses, who made my life miserable, but who were better teachers than the well-behaved school horses who raised no problems. -Alois Podhaisky I've been Snowballed!!!!

06-10-2004, 04:50 PM	#5
spyro1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Swamp..Home of The SEC Champs~Go Gators Posts: 6,881 Images: 62 Blog Entries: 21	Man, we jsut went through all of this with my girlfriends 3 year old stud. talk about frusterating!! Be patient with him, chances are he may not know what to do or where to start. we like to use a red fuzzy halter noseband cover to let him know that it is time they catch on quick! His prob was not getting ready like he should, he would play, nibble, bite, then get frusterated and go limp. We just had to be patient. We also bred in the same quiet spot this year. No distractions. Def agree with using a hot easy breeding mare, one that you know will not kick at him. (We made the mistake of NOT doing this...) Nose to nose seemed to get him really hot too, instead of just sticking him in the rear!! Hmmm, let's see....oh, manners, don't be afraid to pull him away and walk him in circles if he is getting too rough, just don't get too rough with him, or he will see breeding as a neg thing. My friends stud would try to mount before he was ready, we finally caught on that right before he went up, he would rub his head over her rump. If he wasn't ready, he didnt' get to go up!! On the phantoms, I am not sure on that one, we had a hard enough time getting him to cover live mares, let alone dummy ones!! LOL __________________ I used to have a handle on life, but it broke off. Do unto others......

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Looking for a grey TB colt or young stallion!	TrueColoursFarm	Equine Classifieds	4	01-08-2005 11:12 AM
Starting them young	belle4	Horse Chat	15	11-22-2004 12:43 PM
Starting Young Horse on the ground	JeffK-MN	Horse Training	7	09-24-2004 11:28 AM

06-10-2004, 10:23 AM	#2
HalterGirl_88 Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,611	First make sure that he has good ground manners and respect for a chain so when you do get ready to breed he knows when you tell him whoa or go. Make sure the first few breedings are to a very hot mare, and preferably one who's been bred a few times. This way the mare is receptive and won't move a lot while the stud is figuring things out. Have him finesse the mare a bit, don't just let him hop on and go. He should talk to her, nibble, etc. in preperation of getting himself ready. Be sure he is fully ready to go before he mounts, he should not be a limp noodle. Hhhmmm, that's all I can think of right now. There's also lots of tricks if he's not interested or sure of what to do. But you dont really know til you start trying to breed what that particular horse needs.

06-10-2004, 10:29 AM	#3
lilmisscowgrl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Indpls. IN Posts: 684 Images: 48	I have been told that some people start on one side of the horse for teasing or getting him ready. Then they will move to the other side of the horse letting the stud know it is ok to mount. I have handled several studs, all that were pro's at breeding. Thanks for the info! Keep it coming.

06-11-2004, 08:36 AM	#6
lilmisscowgrl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Indpls. IN Posts: 684 Images: 48	thanks for the help! I do like the idea of using some sort of diff. nose band. Might need to try that. As far as prince is concerned, he is saving himself for Skinhead!!!

06-11-2004, 10:55 AM	#7
sunsetacres Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 568 Images: 13	We taught our TWH stallion when he was 3 ( he is now 7). He has specific ques and it NEVER changes. (remember: black and white for stallions, never grey) 1. We take the mare to him in his stall, he teases her to see if she's in. If she is in: 2. He gets his halter on and we use the lead shank with the chain (I never use a chain on him other than when breeding). 3. He comes out of his stall, teases (at a distance) to the mare and drops. I wash him. 4. He gets walked outside while I clean up and get the mare ready. 5. Bring the mare out for him. 6. Walk him to the left hind quarter of the mare (that way he is not directly behind her incase this is when she decides she really does not want to be bred! LOL) 7. He acts nice and talks to her. He is given the verbal command of "Ok get on up" 8. He is allowed to mount and breed the mare. (he is NOT allowed ever, to breed unless given that command. If he tries to, he is taken from the mare until ready to try again. The object with this is that if HE makes the decision and fails, then YOU make the decision and he is successful, he will look to you for the proper timeing and not mount recklessly). 9. He has also been taught "nevermind". That means stop talking to the mare and put it away. He was never shy or dumb about what to do, the problem we had to cure with him is that he was a horrible striker. He would rear and strike above my husbands head (hubby is 6'2", Spot is 15.1). Very dangerous. He is not allowed to strike at all while being handled or he gets severly punished (shank , yell and drive backwards). Training a stallion is serious business, do it right the first time because they never forget.