[Kissitgoodbye]

Originally Posted by jumpthemoon

Suzie

Try asking about this in the Sporthorse Breeding forum on COTH.

Oh man, you stole my idea

[Shannon]

One of only a handful of Contender sons available in the United States for breeding, Capone is to our knowledge the only stallion standing at stud who is both a German Holsteiner Verband approved son of Contender and a competitive success on American showgrounds. This stallion loves to win- he was born to jump, and to be competing in this sport fills him with evident delight.

Capone

Now to figure out how to get a foal registered by the German Verband

[EngageSaddles]

I have a Capone I mare, she is from a TB dam that was a typical TB hot over fences, moderate bone, ect.. she was a NZ bloodline on her dams side bred to steeplechase/event.

Anyway she is much wider and thicker than her dam, her dam had a huge stride and while my mare has a decent stride she is much better at collection than her dam. She does not have a super long leg, I would breed Capone to a mare with a longer leg next time. She is short backed, and can be lazy but that is also due to her being green. She NEVER spooks that I will give her, very solid about new things she jumped a tarp with water today and never gave it a second look. She will free jump well over 4'6 and that is about the only time you will see her "try" to jump low stuff she basically is cantering over at this point. I haven' seen a bascule until the fences where 3'9 then she will bring her front legs very tight into her chest and kick her hind legs clear. Under saddle she has auto lead changes, I never "taught" them she is very well balanced.

While he may produce for eventers I would say he is more suited as a hunter or jumper producer, my mare has "the" canter and ability to collect well enough for hunters but scope for the jumpers. She does not get excited "hot" about going over fences.

You see some horses "jumping like a deer" and this limits the height they can clear since they have to jump twice as high to clear a fence than a horse with a more collected scope and tighter leg....her dam was a "deer jumper" and she is the EXACT opposite so in my opinion he did stamp her a good deal. She is very athletic so take that to mean if she does buck she is capable of going 4' from a standstill luckily now she is broken in that is all behind her but the first few months of riding her where interesting She is also ultra sensitive to saddle fit, that could be the mare in her...princess and the pea....

[zorse]

He must be at least CWB and Canadian Sport Horse.

[EngageSaddles]

My mare is registered / branded Oldenburg NA she went premium - I was told at the time i could have taken her Oldenburg Verband as her dam is approved in both but the inspections where too far. He was approved but I don't think the owners have paid up all the fees I think you can pay his Verband activation fee yourself if you wanted.

[Equine Repro]

Originally Posted by SuZQuzie

So I'm trying to find out which registries to present Penny to so that he foal may be registerable and brandable. I was under the impression by the SO that Capone was approved by the American Warmblood Registry, RPSI, Canadian Sport Horse Association, the German Holsteiner Verbrand, ISR Oldensburg NA, and the Belgian Warmblood Breeding Association.

You need to present her to the registry(s) that the stallion you wish to breed her to is approved.

I can only find him on the roster with BWBA, though.

The BWP/NAD is certainly a respectable registry and they are known for their jumpers.

Any WB breeders out there reckon that there is a reason a registry might now but an approved stallion on their rosters?

There are several reasons why a stallion may not be approved by specific registries. If the stallion has not fulfilled performance requirements, he may not be approved. For example, the BWP/NAD allows a stallion to be approved through performance over a period of years. With the ISR/Oldenburgy, if say a stallion is presented at three, he must attend the next 100 Day Stallion Testing. Stallions "can" be approved through competition, but it's highly unlikely that a stallion will have reached the level required by teh time he is five, so if the owner decides to go that route, the stallion will likely lose a provisional license before he has made it to the level necessary.

From the BWB's I've seen, they seem to be coarser with thicker bone and in particular HUGE feet. However, I don't know if the Belgian Warmblood Assoc. or whatever the registry is is like the SWANA or KWPN....TB mares might not need to be approved for full registration of the foal. It would be worth a look for sure.

HUH????? Uh...have you looked at some of the horses approved by them? Jus de Pomme comes to mind (He won the gold in jumping at the 1996 Olympics) THE HORSE MAGAZINE
Belgian Warmbloods are known for producing and breeding jumper horses and there is certainly a goodly amount of TB, Anglo-Arab and Selle Francais included in their breeding programs. They do accept TB mares, but like most of the warmblood breeding registries, the mare must be presented.

If you wish to present your mare and resulting foal to the ISR/Oldenburg N.A., contact them to see if they will grant a provisional breeding permit for Capone. Occasionally, if the stallion has fulfilled performance requirements and is of appropriate breeding, they will grant a provisional license.

Hope that helps!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
Equine Reproduction

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by Equine Repro

You need to present her to the registry(s) that the stallion you wish to breed her to is approved.

Yes, but we mare owners can't find him on the approved stallion lists that the advertising indicates he is approved for.

When I looked at him three years ago, I thought he was Oldenburg approved because of his advertisement. I couldn't find him on either of the Oldenburg lists.

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by SuZQuzie

I would very much rather not have to travel to Canada twice (once for Penny's approval, then for baby's registration) to get registration papers.

I'll post something on COTH.

Windfalls paperwork is in perfect order!

[Equine Repro]

Originally Posted by ryu2832

Yes, but we mare owners can't find him on the approved stallion lists that the advertising indicates he is approved for.

When I looked at him three years ago, I thought he was Oldenburg approved because of his advertisement. I couldn't find him on either of the Oldenburg lists.

Rather than speculating, it's easier, usually more expeditious and certainly more accurate to just contact the registry of choice. You'll no only get the correct answer, you'll know what needs to be done with regards to your own mare. Capone was with Doug Spink who is/was...well...hmmm...errr...<shuffling feet>...different. Yeah, that's it! Doug was very vocal about Capone's abilities and there's no doubt that the stallion is very talented. Capone's ownership got "caught up" in Spink's legal troubles and I suspect, that has had an unfortunate impact on his registry approvals. Spink, for those who are wondering, was busted a couple years ago in the largest cocaine bust ever in the state of Washington.

Capone is approved with multiple registries. However, I believe, it's just that most of those registry licenses were just allowed to lapse. Mare owners can pay a season activation fee, but check with the registry of choice just to be sure.

Hope that helps!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
Equine Reproduction

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by Equine Repro

Rather than speculating, it's easier, usually more expeditious and certainly more accurate to just contact the registry of choice. You'll no only get the correct answer, you'll know what needs to be done with regards to your own mare. Capone was with Doug Spink who is/was...well...hmmm...errr...<shuffling feet>...different. Yeah, that's it! Doug was very vocal about Capone's abilities and there's no doubt that the stallion is very talented. Capone's ownership got "caught up" in Spink's legal troubles and I suspect, that has had an unfortunate impact on his registry approvals. Spink, for those who are wondering, was busted a couple years ago in the largest cocaine bust ever in the state of Washington.

Capone is approved with multiple registries. However, I believe, it's just that most of those registry licenses were just allowed to lapse. Mare owners can pay a season activation fee, but check with the registry of choice just to be sure.

Hope that helps!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
Equine Reproduction

Yeah, ok, but when I'm searching for a stallion one of the criteria is that the owner has got it together. Letting registry licenses lapse when they are on the advertisement doesn't instill a lot of confidence.