Speaking of Tobianos and the usual 4 white legs

RiddleMeThis · 04-29-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Which is the whole reason for my statement of show me a horse tested AA or Aa that has wild bay offspring when bred to black but does not look wild bay.

You did not ask for that. You just asked for one that tested AA. Breding to a black never came into the equation until this post.

Haas Horse Farm · 04-30-2008, 02:03 PM

LOL That is not what I said.... this is what I said...

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Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Then how would you be able to see wild bay on an AA tested horse if it was not dominant over A?

Also my understanding on this comes from others who have a ton more experience than me on this... that have been studying colors for years in the lab and in the breeding barn. I know what my sources are for my understanding... do you have a source for yours?

I really do not think you understand how this works... :-) Please show me where it is hiding under a bay coat... which would mean that you are correct and it would not be dominant. That is how we know that Bay is dominant over brown. When a horse is AAt you will see the bay not the brown but the brown will show in the offspring. I have lots and lots of experience in this breeding buckskin AAt to aa and getting Ata offspring.

The reason for the black aa gene in the breeding is so that we can eliminate issues with the A+ hiding under chestnut. Sorry this is so confusing to you but I think that JB clearly shows why I wanted bred to black as a factor... her example shows where the offspring of a chestnut that is A+ will produce wild bay when bred to black...

Unfortunately may do not test their horses for agouti or anything else to really know what they are... that is why many black based horses are incorrectly registered.

RiddleMeThis · 04-30-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

LOL That is not what I said.... this is what I said...

I really do not think you understand how this works... :-) Please show me where it is hiding under a bay coat... which would mean that you are correct and it would not be dominant. That is how we know that Bay is dominant over brown. When a horse is AAt you will see the bay not the brown but the brown will show in the offspring. I have lots and lots of experience in this breeding buckskin AAt to aa and getting Ata offspring.

I completely understand that. Do you consider this wild bay? ACC and I were discussing him and he isnt quite wild bay, but he isnt exactly bay either.

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The reason for the black aa gene in the breeding is so that we can eliminate issues with the A+ hiding under chestnut. Sorry this is so confusing to you but I think that JB clearly shows why I wanted bred to black as a factor... her example shows where the offspring of a chestnut that is A+ will produce wild bay when bred to black...

I completely understand why you wanted a black. I just said that you had not asked for a black before that post.

Haas Horse Farm · 04-30-2008, 02:20 PM

Do you have a photo of his across the top of his back?

RiddleMeThis · 04-30-2008, 02:25 PM

No, I will keep looking but as of now I dont.

Paxo · 05-01-2008, 04:27 AM

I have an unpopular loner idea of wild bay since I had one of my own and things I observe, lol maybe someday if i breed her or a test becomes available for what I think causes it , then i might know it was all far fetched

I think wild bay is just a bay , but something else causing it.

but i sit in my own little corner on this one.

RiddleMeThis · 05-01-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxo

I have an unpopular loner idea of wild bay since I had one of my own and things I observe, lol maybe someday if i breed her or a test becomes available for what I think causes it , then i might know it was all far fetched

I think wild bay is just a bay , but something else causing it.

but i sit in my own little corner on this one.

Not as alone as you think Paxo. I know someone who has a similar idea, and I am starting to wonder if it is correct.

accphotography · 05-01-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxo

I have an unpopular loner idea of wild bay since I had one of my own and things I observe, lol maybe someday if i breed her or a test becomes available for what I think causes it , then i might know it was all far fetched

I think wild bay is just a bay , but something else causing it.

but i sit in my own little corner on this one.

You can sit in your corner if you want, but your corner might be a little more crowded than you realize.

ACC

04-30-2008, 02:25 PM	#55
RiddleMeThis Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,376	No, I will keep looking but as of now I dont. __________________ Can't argue with flawed logic I guess.

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05-01-2008, 04:27 AM	#56
Paxo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 274	I have an unpopular loner idea of wild bay since I had one of my own and things I observe, lol maybe someday if i breed her or a test becomes available for what I think causes it , then i might know it was all far fetched I think wild bay is just a bay , but something else causing it. but i sit in my own little corner on this one.