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    Smartflex Senior VS. Actiflex 4000

    I have a 19 year old TB mare who started to get arthritis last year. She is no longer able to canter, and can't trot that much. She is on Actiflex 4000, which is pretty good, but she still can't do much.
    I have heard some people use the Smartflex Senior and it has worked for them.

    Actiflex 4000 has more of every ingredient the Smartflex Senior has, but I would like to know about peoples experiences with both of them.

    Any info on effectiveness would be greatly appreciated!!!

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    I have used both. I actually started using Smartflex Senior but had trouble getting my horse to eat it. Tried both pellets and powder. I did like how she responded to it. I like the Devil's Claw for managing pain which arthritis is. I switched to Actiflex 4000 and I do not have trouble getting her to eat it because I just syringe it into her mouth daily. I have not had any noticeable changes in her. She is also on MSM and Flax just to cover all bases. I also injected her hocks which probably made the biggest difference. You could try adding Devil's Claw or the B-L solution and see how she responds. If you like the response then switching to SmartFlex Senior or adding Devil's Claw might be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14wishes View Post
    I have used both. I actually started using Smartflex Senior but had trouble getting my horse to eat it. Tried both pellets and powder. I did like how she responded to it. I like the Devil's Claw for managing pain which arthritis is. I switched to Actiflex 4000 and I do not have trouble getting her to eat it because I just syringe it into her mouth daily. I have not had any noticeable changes in her. She is also on MSM and Flax just to cover all bases. I also injected her hocks which probably made the biggest difference. You could try adding Devil's Claw or the B-L solution and see how she responds. If you like the response then switching to SmartFlex Senior or adding Devil's Claw might be a good idea.
    we have tried devils claw, and it didn't work that great.
    one remedy i just found earlier today was apple cider vineger. you give 1 cup to them each day and it will help with arthritis pain. have you heard of that?

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    Hey- I got your PM; I'm at work so this is the first chance I've had to respond

    Per ounce (Actiflex in red, SmartFlex Senior in black):

    Glucosamine- 8,000mg / 7,000mg
    Chondroitin- 4,000mg / 500mg
    MSM- 3,000mg / 12,000mg
    HA- 125mg / 50mg

    These are the main ingredients that I look for when picking out a joint supplement. Yes, the Glucosamine and Chondroitin are higher in the ActiFlex, as well as the HA level, and all three of these things are incredibly important for creating joint lubricating fluids; however, one of the drastic differences between the two supplements is the amount of MSM in each. MSM is an anti-inflammatory which is very vital for an arthritic horse- it's possible that you aren't seeing a difference in the way your horse is moving because she's not getting the pain/inflammation help that she needs. The Yucca is an anti-inflammatory as well, but not quite to the degree that the MSM is. When it comes to an arthritic horse or a horse that is constantly put through strenuous work, I wouldn't get a joint supplement with less than 5,000-10,000mg/ounce of MSM... actually, for an arthritic horse I wouldn't go lower than 10,000.

    MSM on it's own is fairly inexpensive to get, so you could try adding some additional into her daily regimen, but if it were up to me I'd switch to the SmartFlex Senior. Not only are the levels of joint-supporting ingredients excellent, it also contains pro- and pre-biotics to help older horses absorb as much nutrients from their daily food intake as possible, and it also has added vitamins which senior horses need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jordanna114 View Post
    Hey- I got your PM; I'm at work so this is the first chance I've had to respond

    Per ounce (Actiflex in red, SmartFlex Senior in black):

    Glucosamine- 8,000mg / 7,000mg
    Chondroitin- 4,000mg / 500mg
    MSM- 3,000mg / 12,000mg
    HA- 125mg / 50mg

    These are the main ingredients that I look for when picking out a joint supplement. Yes, the Glucosamine and Chondroitin are higher in the ActiFlex, as well as the HA level, and all three of these things are incredibly important for creating joint lubricating fluids; however, one of the drastic differences between the two supplements is the amount of MSM in each. MSM is an anti-inflammatory which is very vital for an arthritic horse- it's possible that you aren't seeing a difference in the way your horse is moving because she's not getting the pain/inflammation help that she needs. The Yucca is an anti-inflammatory as well, but not quite to the degree that the MSM is. When it comes to an arthritic horse or a horse that is constantly put through strenuous work, I wouldn't get a joint supplement with less than 5,000-10,000mg/ounce of MSM... actually, for an arthritic horse I wouldn't go lower than 10,000.

    MSM on it's own is fairly inexpensive to get, so you could try adding some additional into her daily regimen, but if it were up to me I'd switch to the SmartFlex Senior. Not only are the levels of joint-supporting ingredients excellent, it also contains pro- and pre-biotics to help older horses absorb as much nutrients from their daily food intake as possible, and it also has added vitamins which senior horses need.
    Thanks soooo much! I will probably end up changing her over (;

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    personal opinion, you would be MUCH better off just adding extra MSM. i've always added extra MSM with Acti-flex.
    acti-flex has a LOT more HA (IMPO i want over 100mg) and chondroiten.

    plus, it's still cheaper to feed Act-flex with extra MSM, then it is to feed the smart-flex senior

    if your horse is still struggling, i would be looking at doing a series of adequan.
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    I stopped by SmartPak last night to pick up a few things. I was purchasing some B-L pellets and I asked about their palletability. My horse out right refuses to eat SmartPak's joint supplements and the lady who worked there said for some reason or another SmartPak's joint supplements are the least palletable out of all of their "Smart" supplements. They are made with a different base. Even her horse who eats bute like a treat refuses to eat the Smart joint supplements. I know not everyone will have this problem but it is something to consider if you have a picky eater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14wishes View Post
    I stopped by SmartPak last night to pick up a few things. I was purchasing some B-L pellets and I asked about their palletability. My horse out right refuses to eat SmartPak's joint supplements and the lady who worked there said for some reason or another SmartPak's joint supplements are the least palletable out of all of their "Smart" supplements. They are made with a different base. Even her horse who eats bute like a treat refuses to eat the Smart joint supplements. I know not everyone will have this problem but it is something to consider if you have a picky eater.
    Horses are so strange. My guy is RIDICULOUSLY picky- he absolutely will not eat anything powdered, and he won't even touch his grain if it has alfalfa pellets in it (I tried adding them to his diet for a while) but for some silly reason he'll eat sulfa tabs right from my hand. I couldn't get him to eat the powdered version of the SmartFlex (even with ground-up peppermints mixed in), but as soon as they started carrying the pelleted version I switched him to that and have not had any problems getting him to eat it.
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    Sorry...I don't own a "high horse"...he's only 15 hands. If you can't take advice like an adult....then I don't know what to tell you.

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    I feed Smartflex Senior, but WOULD feed Acti-flex if it was available in Smartpaks! Unfortunately I board at a large barn, and Smartpaks are the way that we ensure everyone's horses get what they need every day.

    Personally, I really like Smartflex Senior. It took about a month for me to notice the effect, but my guy (also a 19 yr old TB) as a lot fewer cracks and pops nowadays.

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    My guy would not eat the smartflex unless I mixed it with grain. He gets about a gup of grain a day, and then his smartpaks are mixed in. He is VERY picky though, more picky about treats and grain then I have ever seen (will only eat green apples, not red... no peppermints... only certain store bought treats).
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