[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by PHANTOMCOWGIRL

OK SO NOW IM CONFUSED LET ME SE EIF I GOT THIS
paint is a breed pinto color all paints are QH in some form but not all QH are paints and pintos are any horse can be one .


ok what is overo ??

No....

All paints are NOT QH's. Some lines are, majority of the current lines today have been tainted with QH lines....but there are a few if you look hard enough, that have no QH influence and still step from the origional American Painted Stock Horse Association.

Which some of them were mustang origins and we have NO idea what else.



The American Painted Stock Horse Association Merged in the 60's with the American Painted Quarter Horse Association to create today's APHA.

APHA.Com - History of the Breed



The Tobiano Coloration came from the Spanish Breeding lines if I remember my research properly.....where the QH has no connection to.

[BirdieGirl]

lol, I should have asked my confusing question here...hold on..I'm going to go get it!

*edit* Here it is...it's oober confusing!

Originally Posted by BirdieGirl

Ok then...I've got a question!

So why can't ALL "colored" horses be registered as Paint AND Pinto? I assumed that Paints were mainly QH blood and those with a few non-QHs in their lines could be double-registered as Pinto also.

So, when it comes to bloodlines, what's the different between Paint and Pinto? (I understand that Pinto is the "off" breeds like Arabs and TBs who have markings...or at least I think I understand! lol!)

Hold on...I just re-read what I wrote...Gosh this is confusing, and here I thought I understood it.

Pinto is a COLOR registry, and Paint is a BREED registry...Correct? *digs around in head wondering where her brain has gone*

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by BirdieGirl

lol, I should have asked my confusing question here...hold on..I'm going to go get it!

*edit* Here it is...it's oober confusing!

So why can't ALL "colored" horses be registered as Paint AND Pinto? I assumed that Paints were mainly QH blood and those with a few non-QHs in their lines could be double-registered as Pinto also.

So, when it comes to bloodlines, what's the different between Paint and Pinto? (I understand that Pinto is the "off" breeds like Arabs and TBs who have markings...or at least I think I understand! lol!)

Hold on...I just re-read what I wrote...Gosh this is confusing, and here I thought I understood it.

Pinto is a COLOR registry, and Paint is a BREED registry...Correct? *digs around in head wondering where her brain has gone*

All Colored APHA can be registered with the Pinto Association


However, Pinto Association is a COLOR registry ONLY and has very little "bloodline" requirements where APHA DOES require certain lineage and is a BREED registry.

In the APHA, now the books are ONLY open to TB and QH lineage for outside lines. There MUST BE ONE APHA Parent for papers as well with last year's rule change.


Here are the Pinto Association information

Pinto Horse Association of America, Inc. Breed Information


they have classificaton for variety of body styles.


hence why it is and will continue to be a color only registry.


However the APHA is a STOCK HORSE breed. One that has roots similar to the AQHA, and will remain as such because the only thing that differs in their issue, is one is "color" the other is not "color" based.

The body style requirements are the same....because both were created for the same purpose.

But because the AQHA kicked out the "too much white" and decided they were a SOLID based registry in the beginning, the APHA was created, and merged with the Painted stock horse which carried the spanish lines of the tobiano coloration.



Basically, if APHA had remained only as the AQHA Outcrop....the APHA would ONLY Carry Overos. And COULD all merge with the AQHA.

But that changed in the 60's when they merged with the other color stock horse registry.

and because of that, I can almost guarantee AQHA will never allow a merger.

Because of the "tainted" Bloodlines of the 60's blending.

[BirdieGirl]

*trys to soak it all in...a little bit of drool falls onto the keyboard...*

I'm confused...But I think I got it...maybe...I don't know...

Paint - Breed registry with mainly QH bloodlines, but TB and Mustang (which is pretty much anything) thrown in there. Bascially all stock-type horses. Now newly registered horses need to have at least one APHA registered parent??? (I think...)

Pinto - Any breed, but has to have color. Correct?

[Blistering Winds]

The pinto association does NOT allow for draft horse breedings.

[BirdieGirl]

Whoa! I was right? (almost...minus the drafts)

I can't believe I actually comprehended all that technical talk! lol!

Thanks for clearing all that up BW!!!

[PeggySue]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

The pinto association does NOT allow for draft horse breedings.

Also no appy lines are aloud

[tbtrainer]

eyes rolling, had this conversation with a friend who breeds paint mares with her warmblood. I tried to help her register them and was dazed beyond repair!

[JBandRio]

Paint = Overo or Tobiano markings on a horse of QH or TB descent, as long as the parents fit the rules for registration.

Pinto = Overo or Tobiano markings on ANY horse, regardless of breeding, known or unknown.

[sorrell]

Paint has QH blood and conformation, but can't be registered as a QH, so he's a Paint.
Paints can be pintos, but pintos are not necessarily paints....