[Surphin]

Originally Posted by Miss Neigh

how would you get a horse to step high like that? i know they have a natural gait, but surely must have to train to get the horse too move like that. Looks very uncomfortable to ride to.

Weighted shoes help the horse get the action that you see.

If you are looking for an English Pleasure stallion, I would look for a stud who has Zodiac Matador in his line. A great example is Pension (absolutely gorgeous but a little short). Also, a lot of Bey Shah offspring have a nice trot. Take a look at Arabian Horses, Stallions, Farms, horses for sale - Arabian Horse Network, www.arabhorse.com and look at their stallion directory. You will be able to access different farms from their. I would recommend Cedar Ridge, Rooker, Midwest, Battaglia, Dolorosa, The Brass Ring and Pinnacle (just the one's that I could think of off hand).

[Little Red Dun]

Originally Posted by mtroika

Yes I love Hallmark to Megs! but lately a couple other arab breeders in the US have told me that they would never breed to a hackney and that its not a good cross and not worth very much......... Makes me a little nervous now.

I found this farm that breeds Hackney Horses, Arabians, and "Hacknerabians". They look to have bred some gorgeous horses so it looks like a pretty nice cross to me.

Panache Hackney Horse Farm

[Commanderkins]

Originally Posted by mtroika

Hello, I am looking into breeding to an English Pleasure Arabian or a Hackney!

Help me find some

Originally Posted by GiddyUpScoot

If I was looking into an Arab stallion I would breed to one of Megs' stallions for sure. Not only do they produce good looking babies who do well in-hand, they're definately proving themselves as performance horses as well.

Scoot, she is looking for English performance not halter or hunter.

you could always with Matoi!!!


Matoi | Arabian Horses of Cedar Ridge Arabians

[Commanderkins]

Originally Posted by Surphin

recommend Cedar Ridge, Rooker, Midwest, Battaglia, Dolorosa, The Brass Ring and Pinnacle (just the one's that I could think of off hand).

I know she has looked at Pinnacle...but for purchase purposes.

[Sandra-A1]

Originally Posted by Surphin

Weighted shoes help the horse get the action that you see.

Well...that is not exactly true with breeds like the Arabian (and even the Andalusian).
Compaired to breeds like the Morgan, American Saddlebred and TWH.....the Arabian has rules that discourage using weight to obtain the lift and elevation that you see in their Park, Ep and CP horses.
Enhance what is bred in.....yes.... but not manufacture something that is not there. So that is why I sort of disagree with your post.

While shoeing can help a bit with the movement the AHA has strict rules when it comes to the length of hoof and shoeing the Arabian horse.
I admit that a good farrier can be "mighty creative" when it comes to the weight (and distribution of that weight) of a shoe.....still it has to be within the AHA Rules or the horse will end up being disqualified:

AR103 Shoeing Regulations.
1. Horses less than two years of age must be shown barefoot. Horses two years of age may be shown with a shoe in accordance with AR103.2. However, the use of a pad(s) of any type or configuration between hoof and shoe is strictly prohibited.

2. Through November 30, 2008, any machine made shoe (keg), or handmade shoe made of magnetic steel, mild steel, aluminum, rubber or other non-metallic shoe is allowed. No part of the shoe may exceed the dimensions of 3/8 inch thick by 1 1/8 inches wide (nail heads and/or toe clips are not considered when measuring the shoe). Aluminum, rubber or other non-metallic shoes are exempt from the dimension requirements. The shoe may be of any type and configuration except in the case of a bar shoe, the bar may not extend below the ground surface of the shoe. If a shoe band is used, it may be attached to the shoe, or the pad if present. BOD 1/14/07 Effective 4/1/07

3. Maximum length of toe is 4¹⁄₂” for purebred Arabians. Maximum length of toe is 5” for Half-Arabians and Anglo-Arabians.

4. The use of pad(s) (either full or partial, including rim) made of leather or plastic, is allowed as long as the overall length of toe measurement (See GR510) does not exceed the maximum toe length of 4¹⁄₂” for purebred Arabians or 5” for Half-Arabians and Anglo-Arabians. The introduction of a foreign material within the pad, between the pad and shoe or between the pad and hoof (other than accepted packing material such as oakum, pine tar, silicone, foam rubber, etc.) designed to add additional weight or enhance action is
strictly prohibited. Material with anti-concussive qualities (such as rubber, silicone, latex, etc.) may be used between the pad and hoof for additional support, provided such material does not extend beyond the inner rim (edge) of the shoe.

5. At the discretion of a judge or a steward officiating at a licensed Arabian competition, or at the request of the Show Committee (See GR1201) inspection (including measuring the shoe, measurement of hoof length, and presence of a pad) of shoes, pad(s) and/or hoof length may be required. Shoes and pads, if present, cast after entering or before exiting the arena in any class shall be inspected.
Said inspection shall be performed by a licensed steward or judge designated by the Show Committee (The Show Committee may at its discretion designate more than one licensed official to perform inspections). Any trainer, exhibitor and/or agent of a horse subject to the inspection each may request to be present and heard while said inspection is being performed by said licensed official(s). Prior to any disqualification and/or other penalties imposed on a horse at a competition, the inspecting officials shall make reasonable efforts to notify and have present the owner(s) and trainer(s) of said horse, or agent(s) at the inspection.
The inspecting officials shall take possession of any shoe, and/or pad and measure the shoe with an accurate gauge. Measurement of hoof length shall be made in accordance © USEF 2007 AR3 AR-ARABIAN, HALF-ARABIAN & ANGLO-ARABIAN AR4 © USEF 2007 AR-ARABIAN, HALF-ARABIAN & ANGLO-ARABIAN with GR510. In the event that the inspecting officials find a violation of the shoe measurement, hoof length and/or pad presence the horse shall be disqualified for the entire competition, and the owner shall be required to forfeit all prize money, sweepstakes and trophies, entry fees, ribbons, and points won at said competition by said horse. Additionally, if any forbidden
foreign material is found between the pad and/or shoe, or pad and hoof, within the pad, and/or the pad composition is in violation of AR103.1, the steward shall file a charge against the owner(s) and trainer(s) with the Federation Hearing Committee in accordance with GR604 and a hearing shall be held in accordance with General Rules, Chapter GR6.
The trainer of a horse found to be shod with any forbidden material as described, is subject to whatever additional penalty or penalties are assessed by the Hearing Committee following a hearing. Said trainer may be fined and/or suspended from all competitions for a period of up to one year for the first offense, said suspension to be served at any time at the discretion
of the Hearing Committee. The horse may be suspended for any period of time
specified by the Hearing Committee.

6. All horses competing in the Arabian, Half-Arabian, and Anglo-Arabian Hunter, Jumper, Dressage, Eventing, Combined Driving, Working Western, Reining Seat Equitation, Carriage Pleasure Driving and Sport Horse Sections shall be exempt from shoeing regulations.
This does not exempt horses that are cross entered into any other classes from compliance with applicable shoeing requirements while competing in those classes.
BOD 1/14/07 Effective 4/1/07

The Andalusian is even stricter: http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2007/04-AL.pdf

[SVA]

Originally Posted by arabkid

My favorite stallions for EP are....

Hallmark GTF (Hackney) - Hackney Horse Stallion GTF Hallmark
A Temptation (arab) - Strawberry Banks Farm I Arabian Horses for Sale, Stallions, Mares, Arabian Show Horses
Clout (SB / DHH) - :.: Rooker Training Stable :.: Stallions :.:
AA Apollo Bey (arab) - StallionRow.com presents: AA Apollo Bey

lmao! You and I think alike! I'd also add IXL Noble Express to that list Afire Bey V, Marron Fire Arabians, IXL Noble Express, Arabian Horses and of course, Hucklebey Berry+/, although he's no longer breeding Hucklebey Berry

[Huntseat]

Originally Posted by Sandra-A1

Why not check out the stallions Varian has and discuss your mare's potiential of producing a EP foal with the folks there...they have years of experience and know Sheila's stallions' & bloodlines and what they nick well with: Varian Arabians - Stallions: Home

You can't go wrong with anything that has Sheila Varian's name attached... We have two August Bey V daughters and an Afire Bey V son - all AMAZING horses. Both of the mares were bred to do hunter/western, but had they been bred to a bigger trotting mare, they would've gotten huge trots. They have awesome conformation, great personalities, and are very trainable. VERY versatile horses, Melody does everything from barrel racing to class A and regional arab shows (hunter pleasure, halter) and Maebelline is jumping 3'6 + as well as doing very well in the hunter pleasure ring. Winston, the Afire Bey V son, has been a strong english horse almost his entire life, and is still going strong in country at the age of 14. He's been top 5 EP at both region 11 and 15 and is just a JOY to ride. Tons of character, very willing. Yup, I'm definately all for Varian horses..

August Melody-


Maebelline-



CA Winston-
This pic just goes to show what kind of personality he has..

[Huntseat]

Originally Posted by Commanderkins

Scoot, she is looking for English performance not halter or hunter.

you could always with Matoi!!!


Matoi | Arabian Horses of Cedar Ridge Arabians

Gotta agree with that one, too.. Just look at Teal Dowling's horses and where she has gone with them.

[mtroika]

Thanks guys!!! You all have great taste and suggestions! I really do want a hackney/arab cross though for my first foal...... But I will look more into why come people think its such a bad cross.

Great pics huntseat, I do have a varian grandaughter

[mtroika]

Originally Posted by huntseat

Gotta agree with that one, too.. Just look at Teal Dowling's horses and where she has gone with them.

I love matoi to! I think his stud fee is a bit out of my range for now I think its like $5000 or $6000 US