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Originally Posted by LateralFlexion Well, this is more of a training issue. A diet high ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LateralFlexion View Post
    Well, this is more of a training issue. A diet high in starch/corn will certainly exacerbate the issue, but it won't cause it. Specifically it is an issue with leadership. When you are clearly the leader, your horse won't feel the need to get spooked. They will have the confidence that whenever they are in your presence they will be taken care of.

    Imagine yourself as a small child, in the house alone, it is dark and storming outside. You hear a noise. It sounds like an intruder! Agh....

    Now, imagine the same situation only you are holding hands with your parents. Not so scary anymore is it?

    Same situation, same noises, same house, same storm.....but the difference is that you had someone who you trusted to protect you from harm.
    It's only in a new situation, or when doing something he hasn't done yet. As in walking down the road. After I reasure him that the ugly green mailbax is not a black hole that is going to swallow him whole he is fine.

    He tends to hunt out them thar' buggers!

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    How much of the Leisure 12 is he getting? The Calm & Cool is definately a step up from that. But there might be a more suitable product for him as well.
    He gets 1lb in the morning and the same at night.
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    Okay, this paints a much different picture.

    You're underfeeding the Leisure 12. Enough so that you're getting basically no nutritional benefit from it. The Calm & Cool is also not an appropriate feed for him as it is designed for the same feeding scale.

    Both are designed to be fed at 3-18 lbs for a horse your size. Now, common sense tells us that even the feeding recommendation presents issues. (One of my main (only) gripes with Seminole feeds.) A feed that is safe to be fed at 18 lbs, is going to supply very minimal nutrition at 3 lbs. You're only feeding 2 lbs. So you're feeding even less than what would be considered an absolute bare bones diet.

    For a feed like Calm & Cool to be an appropriate choice (imo), you should require at least 6-7 lbs. (Because of nutrition content.) But then this also raises issues of higher grain intake, etc...

    The only Seminole feed (that I'm aware of) that is truely suitable to be fed at low levels (like 2 lbs) is the Equilizer...

    http://seminolefeed.com/ProductSheet.../Equalizer.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by *Foxy*Hunter* View Post
    It's only in a new situation, or when doing something he hasn't done yet. As in walking down the road. After I reasure him that the ugly green mailbax is not a black hole that is going to swallow him whole he is fine.

    He tends to hunt out them thar' buggers!



    He gets 1lb in the morning and the same at night.

    It is still a leadership issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LateralFlexion View Post
    It is still a leadership issue.
    One I started this thread asking about a feed issue NOT to see if my horse has a training issue

    Two Its part of his personality NOT a training issue. He does it whether someone is at the end of his lead or if he is turned out in his pasture.
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    Horses defiantely can have a 'spooky'/'hot' personality as opposed to a laid back/bombproof personality. That (imo) does not excuse inappropriate behavior when under the direction of a human though. (And I am not saying that this is what you're doing at all. Just making a general comment.) Feed can make this issue worse. There is absolutely nothing in the world wrong with giving your horse an optimum diet to allow for ease (or safety) of training. But an inappropriate (diet) still holds true (imo) to my above comment (no excuse iow).

    So, changing his diet could help your training issues. And a different type/approach could help the training issue. I also understand that that is not what this thread is about, and isn't entirely relavent. You might still get some good ideas/advice regardless
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Foxy*Hunter* View Post
    One I started this thread asking about a feed issue NOT to see if my horse has a training issue

    Two Its part of his personality NOT a training issue. He does it whether someone is at the end of his lead or if he is turned out in his pasture.

    I understand that you are asking about feed. I also understand that many threads are started asking about one thing, when really the answer the OP needs is different than what they thought. I thought I would provide my insight to similar issues. I personally think you have two issues with this horse. If you fix the diet issue and he is a perfect gentleman, fantastic. If not, then you know what else to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LateralFlexion View Post
    I understand that you are asking about feed. I also understand that many threads are started asking about one thing, when really the answer the OP needs is different than what they thought. I thought I would provide my insight to similar issues. I personally think you have two issues with this horse. If you fix the diet issue and he is a perfect gentleman, fantastic. If not, then you know what else to consider.
    I have had him for 10 months. At first I belived it was a training issue, but it is not. Thats why I am changing his feed program.
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    I fed Wellness Perform and it fit the bill with my horse. I noticed a change for the better in his personality on it. He was more even tempered. He was a high strung jittery nut job on all grain and sweet feed. He didn't do well on a high starch diet at all.

    He also was a hard keeper when I got him, needing some weight. He was a little picky but he loved the taste of Wellness so it was a good choice for him. Pasture 24/7, two feedings a day of Wellness Perform, added hay when pasture was lean and he maintained his weight really well. When the pasture was good and his weight was good. He got only pasture and Wellness Ration Balancer.

    One word of warning he did start to choke twice on the pellets if he ate them quickly. Moistening them with water first solved that and he had no more incidents.

    http://www.seminolefeed.com/Wellness...SafePellet.htm

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    I love Calm and Cool. It makes the shiniest coat and the horses love it! I feed it to my really hot Pas Fino and I guarantee it makes a difference.
    Nothing better than Arabs! I do not need another horse,I do not! Ooh! Look at this horse!

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