Sabino foal from 2 Tobiano + Sabino parents

Blistering Winds · 11-21-2007, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Are talking ermine spots? BTW those are not always black.. if the horse is sorrel they will be sorrel also...

Blister's got sorrel spots.. 3 of them to be exact. only thing that, according to other people over the years, caused his hoof to be black and not the white like many of the socked/stocking horses. One of these years, I'll look into that part of the genetics.....I'm still having too much fun with Brown. LOL

Shannon · 11-21-2007, 01:22 PM

Tymac, it doesn't matter what people are looking for. Genetic Sabino IS Genetic Sabino. Some people look for loud sabino, some people don't. It doesn't matter. I'm not talking about marketing at all? What IS Sabino IS Sabino, regardless of whether or not it looks like what sells??

Shannon · 11-21-2007, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TymacsGirl

This is Secret Moonbeam aka Dixie, our Secretariat grandaughter, she has four white legs and a big blaze. She's not sabino, she just has chrome.

We bred her to Paisley, Secret, Dixie's foal, came out with the least amount of white of all 7 foals this year.

Now I'm not saying that all horses out there with 4 white legs are just chrome, but a good bit of them are.

This is what I was referring to.

ETA--

Look at it this way-- this is what it seems like you are trying to say to me. Let's use bay instead of Sabino.

"We breed bays, but I only like dark bays and that is what sells well. This horse is a light bay, and because it is not the color bay I like and what sells well, it's not bay."

Same thing. I'm talking genotype. What's actually on the horse's DNA. You're talking marketability.

Blistering Winds · 11-21-2007, 01:29 PM

Is the Ermine spotting related to the Sabino patterns?

Shannon · 11-21-2007, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

Is the Ermine spotting related to the Sabino patterns?

It is believed to be, yes

JBandRio · 11-21-2007, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TymacsGirl

That's what I was trying to say about Dixie and Secret. They have normal socks that do not show the characteristics of being Sabino what so ever.

Yes, they do. Their "normal" socks ARE Sabino. I'm not sure what else you're looking for to make it clear that it's from Sabino. If it's spotting within the white, that can be present but by far does not have to be in order for it to be Sabino. Ermine spotting, whether on the legs or face white, is much less common than solid white markings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by accphotography

Simple. Blue eyes in a non-frame breed.

How do we know sabino doesn't cause blue eyes? Blue eyes would be MUCH more common in breeds like Thoroughbreds and the like who have abundant sabino and virtually no frame. There is just too much evidence against that.

ACC

Sabino CAN cause blue eyes when the white touches/crosses an eye. But that feat isn't common, therefore blue eyes in Sabino-only horses, even with face white, even with big fat blazes, isn't common.

Haas Horse Farm · 11-21-2007, 02:38 PM

How do you know that sabino is the reason for the blue eyes if it cannot be tested for?

ladylove · 11-21-2007, 03:08 PM

OK, I'm new to the whole paint/pinto thing. Please tell me what this one is.

JBandRio · 11-21-2007, 05:53 PM

ladylove, your gelding is Tobiano for sure, likely with Sabino giving him his face white, and because his markings have jagged edges between the dark and white, I'd say he's likely Frame as well.

ladylove · 11-21-2007, 06:22 PM

Thanks! Good to know. He was apparently a stallion until he was 4.5 years old and did not "throw color" so he was gelded.

11-21-2007, 01:22 PM	#42
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 10,833 Images: 1017 Blog Entries: 63	Tymac, it doesn't matter what people are looking for. Genetic Sabino IS Genetic Sabino. Some people look for loud sabino, some people don't. It doesn't matter. I'm not talking about marketing at all? What IS Sabino IS Sabino, regardless of whether or not it looks like what sells?? __________________ Mariah - 15 year old KWPN Dutch WB mare I ride earthquakes like I ride horses, often and with talent. And that's only ONE of my talents.

11-21-2007, 01:29 PM	#44
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 32,425 Images: 864 Blog Entries: 18	Is the Ermine spotting related to the Sabino patterns? __________________ Can I have a midlife crisis now?

11-21-2007, 05:53 PM	#49
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 32,003 Images: 196 Blog Entries: 12	ladylove, your gelding is Tobiano for sure, likely with Sabino giving him his face white, and because his markings have jagged edges between the dark and white, I'd say he's likely Frame as well. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173)

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Possible Sabino	ginger102005	Horse Breeding	18	08-24-2007 10:39 AM
Sabino???	Malibu Barbie	Horse Chat	7	07-23-2006 05:36 AM
is he a sabino??	appycrazy	Horse Breeding	13	04-30-2006 07:26 PM
Sabino	lucky_pine	Horse Breeding	43	02-13-2006 03:42 PM
sabino overo tobiano	shell	Horse Chat	51	08-13-2004 02:29 PM

11-21-2007, 03:08 PM	#48
ladylove Full Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 180 Images: 109	OK, I'm new to the whole paint/pinto thing. Please tell me what this one is.

11-21-2007, 06:22 PM	#50
ladylove Full Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 180 Images: 109	Thanks! Good to know. He was apparently a stallion until he was 4.5 years old and did not "throw color" so he was gelded.