[JBandRio]

I KNOW there is Splash in Arabs

[Haas Horse Farm]

I have never herd that there was no splash in arabians... LOL My question would be since there is no test for splash or other forms of sabino besides SB1 how you can be sure that it is one instead of the other.

[ACCphotography]

Simple. Blue eyes in a non-frame breed.

How do we know sabino doesn't cause blue eyes? Blue eyes would be MUCH more common in breeds like Thoroughbreds and the like who have abundant sabino and virtually no frame. There is just too much evidence against that.

ACC

[ACCphotography]

Oh yeah... regarding Arabs... MANY, MANY Arab breeders advertise "sabino is the only thing found in Arabs".

"Khartoon Khlassic is a purebred Arabian sabino stallion registered with the Arabian Horse Registry as well as the Pinto Horse Registry. He carries the rare sabino gene, the only "pinto" gene found in the Arabian breed. Khartoon has sired purebred Arabian pintos that have color without giving up quality. "

http://khartoonkhlassic.com/

ACC

[Shannon]

Tymac, I think your definition of Sabino is a little out of whack. A genetically Sabino horse doesn't need to have obvious phenotypical characteristics. Snowbound Paisley puts very unique Sabino markings on his foals, something I have never seen so commonly produced by one horse. His foals have EXTREME spotting within the very jagged whites. Just because another horse's white markings are not as jagged and do not possess colored spots within them does not mean they are not Sabino.

Like Jordana said, the mare you posted is WITHOUT A TRACE OF DOUBT Sabino. And who cares if the foal she produced has the "least amount of white of any of the foals by Paisley this year?" Breeding is a genetic cra.pshoot. Heck, look at the horses in the OP. Both were tobiano, yet the foal did not end up tobiano. So Paisley and this mare, both obviously Sabino, didn't put extensive white markings on one foal. Just because THEY posssess a lot of white does not GUARANTEE a foal with a lot of white. Plain and simple.

Queen was Sabino, but very minimally marked. By your definition she wouldn't even be close to being considered Sabino. But then again I am of the belief that ANY facial/leg markings come from Sabino if no other paint pattern exists.

[Tymacs Girl]

Originally Posted by Canadian Sage

I just had to throw in my mare that I got here....

Shes sabino without a doubt, shows pretty much ALL the characteristics other than the spots (like..large enough to possibly have her say a min. overo (if i were trying to reg. with APHA).

My point of posting her pic is that her socks aren't high white's, just "normal" socks.

That's what I was trying to say about Dixie and Secret. They have normal socks that do not show the characteristics of being Sabino what so ever.

[Tymacs Girl]

Originally Posted by shannond

Tymac, I think your definition of Sabino is a little out of whack. A genetically Sabino horse doesn't need to have obvious phenotypical characteristics. Snowbound Paisley puts very unique Sabino markings on his foals, something I have never seen so commonly produced by one horse. His foals have EXTREME spotting within the very jagged whites. Just because another horse's white markings are not as jagged and do not possess colored spots within them does not mean they are not Sabino.

Like Jordana said, the mare you posted is WITHOUT A TRACE OF DOUBT Sabino. And who cares if the foal she produced has the "least amount of white of any of the foals by Paisley this year?" Breeding is a genetic cra.pshoot. Heck, look at the horses in the OP. Both were tobiano, yet the foal did not end up tobiano. So Paisley and this mare, both obviously Sabino, didn't put extensive white markings on one foal. Just because THEY posssess a lot of white does not GUARANTEE a foal with a lot of white. Plain and simple.

Queen was Sabino, but very minimally marked. By your definition she wouldn't even be close to being considered Sabino. But then again I am of the belief that ANY facial/leg markings come from Sabino if no other paint pattern exists.

Thank for saying that my opinion is out of whack. Appreciate that, really do. I am only taught what the market wants, and being that where I work SPECIALIZES in Sabino TB's of course I'm going to have an idea what we're looking for. Thank you! We don't look for minimal sabino, or this classic sabino. People look for different things, doesn't mean they are out of whack. Please watch what you say to people.

And did I not write in the first post I made in this thread, that the foal was minimal sabino at best? Why I think I did. I wasn't arguing at all. Haas cleared up what I was trying to say. I'm used to LOUD sabinos, not minimal, not classic, LOUD. And I already thanked Haas for clearing my confusion up. But I'm honestly not at all happy for being told my thoughts are out of whack. That really did not sit well with me. People look for different things and different patterns. I'm trained to look for LOUD sabinos since that's what we breed. I apologize to the OP for any confusion I might have caused. I do like the foal though. Very cute.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by accphotography

Simple. Blue eyes in a non-frame breed.

How do we know sabino doesn't cause blue eyes? Blue eyes would be MUCH more common in breeds like Thoroughbreds and the like who have abundant sabino and virtually no frame. There is just too much evidence against that.

ACC

Okay this is true but it does not answer my question of how do you know that a horse is splash instead of sabino when the horse does not have blue eyes and you cannot test for either color? I am talking about paint horses...

[Blistering Winds]

Jumping in a sec, he'd be the normal "Sabino" right?

and what causes the "spots" within the white?

His daddy does the same thing, spot within the white sock.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Are talking ermine spots? BTW those are not always black.. if the horse is sorrel they will be sorrel also...