[lucky_pine]

Someone needs to define a sabino to me. Lately I've seen a lot of people on here calling other peoples' horses sabinos, when they just have a white lip and socks.
Especially so when the horse is clearly a roan. There's a difference between a horse with white socks/stockings, a horse greying with age, a roan, and a sabino.

But the way I've seen the term thrown around, my horse would be classified as a sabino when he isn't one.

[lucky_pine]

Also, it seems when a horse has a white lip, he's called a sabino.
Not so.

[Heavenly Jumper]

http://www.sabinohorseregistry.com/

Here is the BEST way to find out about sabino horses. Check out this whole site. It is my most FAVORITE markings!!!

[lucky_pine]

Yes, but if you look at the list of markings accepted....just about any breed of horse can be registered with them because just about any breed (mostly bs paints, few to no spot apps, and shires) can be registered with them.
Why must they keep adding color registries? Sure, the paint is a color registry, but they are very strict on their bloodlines now. There is NOTHING about bloodlines that I can find for the "sabino" registry. It's like...being registered is meaning almost nothing now.
Simply put, we should not be registering for color, we should be registering to preserve the purest bloodlines around.
It's all going in the trash now.
I could easily go and register Scoot as a sabino because he has the leg splashes, lip spot AND chin spot, plus if you look at him he does have white hairs EVERYWHERE.
But he's a PAINT HORSE.

[S.HorseWoman]

Lucky_pine, Paint Horses CAN be sabino . Quite a few of the dual registered Paint/AQHA horses are sabinos. Sabino officially falls under the umbrella term of Overo, which is basically any white pattern that come from below (as in up the legs toward the back), while Tobiano looks like it comes from above (poured onto the back to down the sides).

If you don't believe me, ta-da!: http://www.apha.com/breed/geneticeq4.html Information the sabino pattern directly from the American Paint Horse Association .

Here is a page that shows different patterns of sabino, better than the APHA one: http://www.equinecolor.com/sabino.html

Sabino is NOT a breed, it is just a color pattern and has nothing to do with being purebred or not. Sabino is the most common white pattern, the reason you can find registered Pinto Arabians, those dual-registered Thoroughbred/Paints, etc. The Sabino Horse Registry is no different than the Pinto or Buckskin registry; they are a color association and make no claim to be any different.

HOWEVER, Scoot is NOT a sabino by the looks of it. He is a Splashed White. You can tell the difference by the unusual shape of his blaze, the very smooth edges on his white markings, and the fact that he looks like he has some blue (if not completely blue) in his eyes.

Here is information on the Splashed White pattern: http://www.equinecolor.com/splash.html See the similarities in the minimal ones to Scoot's pattern?

Splashed White is also found in Paint Horses: http://www.apha.com/breed/geneticeq5.html

[S.HorseWoman]

To answer the rest of your question, there are different forms of "roan". Just having some white hairs in the coat does NOT make the horse a true roan.

A true roan has evenly mixed hairs on the neck and body, with darker color on the head and legs. Just a sprinkle on the barrel just not make a horse a real roan.

Sabino can cause roaning by mixing white hairs in the flanks and body, BUT the head and legs often have white mixed in as well, which is why it is not a "true" roan.

The other pattern that causes roaning is Rabicano. Rabicano causes roaning that starts at the flanks, often accompanied by a "skunk" tail.

Graying is NOT roaning; it is the turning of a horse's base color to white, just like a human turns gray with age. A horse MIGHT look roan, but in a few years, will not as it turns lighter and lighter. Gray changes with age, Roan does not.

Here is a real roan: http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.com/index/roan.html

Here is a sabino roan: http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.c...ex/sabino.html (scroll until you see Select Rose, a very strange, but definitely sabino roan)

Another picture of a typical sabino roan: http://www.calicomtns.net/images/136...mall_small.JPG

Here is a rabicano: http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.c.../rabicano.html

Here is a gray: http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.com/index/gray.html

See the difference in the way the roaning is? Roaning just means white mixed in, a true ROAN is a color pattern.

Here is a great resource for most color patterns: http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.com/index.html

It is about Morgans, but the facts about the color are the same for ANY breed. Roan is roan, chestnut is chestnut, palomino is palomino, etc. Those are genetics and are NOT affected by certain breeds or bloodlines. The genetics for a Roan Quarter Horse are the same as for a Roan Morgan horse, it is just the PEDIGREE that is different. The genes for color are universal in horses; it is where the pedigree goes that determines breed, but since they are all horses, those basic color rules apply to all of them.

[madvoice]

According to the markings on Spook (plus roan ticking in his coat that can't be seen in this photo) even I could get away with it.

[S.HorseWoman]

That is because Spook IS a sabino. Check out the points at the top of his leg markings; often a good indicator of Sabino.

Also, Sabino is quite common in the Welsh ponies, and if I remember right, Spook is a Welsh Cob?

[madvoice]

He actually has chestnut spots on his legs on the hind stockings though you can't see them here. Yes, he is a registered Welsh Cob. Hubby is 6'2" so he's got a fair bit of growing to do being 16 months old

[S.HorseWoman]

Wow, Spook is going to be a BIG boy for a Welsh Cob, isn't he ! Gorgeous guy though; he is one of my most favorite color combinations: flaxen chestnut with lots of lovely white .