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I don't like Craig Cameron. He had a show about a reining spin which was just...TERRIBLE. Plus all he rides in his demos are totally broke horses. Maybe it's not a training show...maybe it's a riding show. I don't know. Plus he's annoying and he says the same thing 5,000 times in a row.

[clue]

I usually don't jump in, but I can't hold back on this one. This guy is going to get somebody hurt. I do get a really good laugh out of it though. You would think he would know better than to stand in front of a rearing horse. I can't believe some of the things he has said, such as, rope halters are cruel and leave marks, yet he has no problem putting a stiff rope around a horses nose to get him to load; horses can't turn around in a slant load trailer; lateral flexion causes the spine to compress and causes damage, guess I should stop mine from flexing to get bugs and scratch; the go foward cue helps teach the horse to keep his head low; it would probably be safer for me to not load this horse with me in the trailer, yet does it anyway; and you don't want a relationship with your horse. In one show if you watch real close he has a horse in an arena with the scary music going and when the horse would calm down and put his head down. It appeared somebody out of camera range was flagging him or something to get him going again.

I think the best is when he made a lady ride a horse that he knew would act up on a two lane road on a curve. Now that's safe. I haven't seen one horse that was "bad", it was the obivious it was the rider had no idea what to do. Oh and might I say he is against round pens, yet one of his sponsers is Priefert. The last time I checked their main thing was round pen panels. And just think, he edits out the bad stuff. He needs to go back to being a trail guide.

[hartford]

All of these respective people have some sort of talent to offer. They all seem to be somewhat worthy of having a television show. My question here would be, "How did Ryan Gingerich manage to get his?" This is way beyond me to imagine that people really are so desperate that they call on him for his "Services". I don't want to run the guy in the dirt, but, I have watched a couple of these episodes and walked away laughing. I don't consider myself to be a trainer or yet a television personality such as Ryan. What I do consider myself as, is a good judge of character.

[LazyDaisy]

I don't know Hartford, RFD is unique unto itself. I just watched a part of the Penny Gilley Show and the poor woman is incapable of carrying a tune, yet stars in her own singing variety hour. Must be her daddies idea to set her up with her own show? Maybe Ryan's daddy did the same, lol.

I've got part two ready to be recorded. I think I'll send him an email when I've seen it. He may redeem himself yet! or not.

[harp918]

Has he successful trained any horses that went on to be titled or anything? Just curious if anyone knows. I'm watching the reruns of the gray thoroughbred episode and YIKES on the trailer training.

[Banat]

I only watched a few minutes of the gray trailer loading episode 1. I will have to watch him again since everyone here is so against him. I didn't hear him say anything wrong or see him do anything wrong.
I haven't watched him enough to form a strong opinion, and I haven't read anything on here that would influence my opinion of him, although it has piqued my interest.

[LindaMM]

Originally Posted by harp918

Has he successful trained any horses that went on to be titled or anything? Just curious if anyone knows. I'm watching the reruns of the gray thoroughbred episode and YIKES on the trailer training.

Well... have you ever seen ANY of the "natural horsemanship" or "behaviorists" win a major title beyond the "Road" title that they made up as a competition among themselves?

Personally, I love some of the techniques these guys use, and it has definately improved my horsemanship... but take everything with a grain of salt, and some are light years better than others.

Regarding Ryan... the best show I watched of his has his two young sons ride their ponies a few miles down the road to trade a goat for another pony from one of their neighbors. It was cute - but I could have done without the corn-ball scene with the gypsy-lady by the creek.

[harp918]

Originally Posted by Banat

I only watched a few minutes of the gray trailer loading episode 1. I will have to watch him again since everyone here is so against him. I didn't hear him say anything wrong or see him do anything wrong.
I haven't watched him enough to form a strong opinion, and I haven't read anything on here that would influence my opinion of him, although it has piqued my interest.

I'm not against him. I just was curious where his fame came from that he got his own show? He might be fantastic. I don't know. I do know that of the shows that I have seen of his, he doesn't actually show how he corrects the behavioral problems outside of maybe a 5 minute segment. That show spends the same amount of time (about 5 minutes) showing him at the computer and then driving to where the horse and owner is, introductions between him and the owner, etc. He does discuss the problems that the owner has with the horse for the majority of the show though and it is always VERY general.

Why I was saying YIKES is the horse seems very confused, gets away from him twice and hits his head on the trailer. I wasn't expecting the show to end where no real progress was made because they have the ability to edit, do multiple takes, etc. It appears there is more fluff than substance. (There was a show one time where horses had to evacuated because of a fire, I think.) Sometimes that is the case where someone is more or less protecting their training secrets so they can get hired rather than give away free advice. I am not real versed in the who's who of the equine industry outside of the big names like Parelli, Clinton Anderson, etc. and thought maybe he was famous (outside of his show) and I just didn't know it.

[LazyDaisy]

Originally Posted by lindammorris

Well... have you ever seen ANY of the "natural horsemanship" or "behaviorists" win a major title beyond the "Road" title that they made up as a competition among themselves?

Personally, I love some of the techniques these guys use, and it has definately improved my horsemanship... but take everything with a grain of salt, and some are light years better than others.

Regarding Ryan... the best show I watched of his has his two young sons ride their ponies a few miles down the road to trade a goat for another pony from one of their neighbors. It was cute - but I could have done without the corn-ball scene with the gypsy-lady by the creek.

That was Ken McNabb and his kids are adorable little guys.

[TimmysMom]

Originally Posted by ILoveRedRanger!

BUmmp....
Anyone else?

here's what I found on him so far:
Meet Ryan Gingerich, the Behaviorist From his days riding his ‘stick horse’ and playing the Lone Ranger to the animals on his Grandfather’s Indiana farm, Ryan Gingerich has a love of horses that seems to transcend the normal horse and rider relationship. His ability to get into ‘the mind of the horse’ allows him to rehabilitate horses others have decided are hopeless. He often says, there are no bad horses, only bad training.

Ryan began his professional horse career as a trail guide. His love affair with the horse then led him to complete a national certification program where he continued working after graduation. His ability to work with troubled horses was put to good use there, and he continued to develop the bond with these horses that today has him branded as ‘The Behaviorist’. This title is well earned not only through his natural ability but through study and the application of scientific research into horse behavior. Ryan frequently refers to Dr. Andrew Mclean, Director of the Australian Equine Behavior Centre. Dr. McLean was so impressed by his communications with Ryan that he paid his own way to the United States to work with Ryan in person. They continue to share knowledge.

Ryan has developed his training program, Connective Horsemanship, using a marriage of science and tradition. His five elements of Connective Horsemanship offer a simple language for the rider and the horse. These five elements consist of Basic Control, Lightness, Rhythm, Line and Connection. This language, used exclusivly by Ryan and his students, requires that the horse need give only one response to one cue. When used correctly, Ryan's methods lead to a “deletion” of the incorrect behavior. This eliminates confusion in the horse and owner helping both to relax and learn. Ryan uses this technique to rehabilitate horses with behaviors that range from bolting and bucking to buddy sour. His method crosses all disciplines and is used at his National Equine Behavior Center in Troy, Missouri to rehabilitate every breed of horse from off track Thoroughbreds to Quarter horses.

Personally, I'd rather date him than have him train my horse