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firegurl979 · 10-26-2008, 01:25 PM

thanks for the imput. Today I worked him in the round pen a bit and really concentrated on woah. He was being respectful and walking with his head at my shoulder, stopping when i stopped. huh. I also used a rope halter. He seems to respect that much more for some reason.

seaecho · 10-26-2008, 04:44 PM

I'd put him in a round pen, if you have one, no bigger than 60x60.' That way, every time you put the halter and lead rope on and attempt to lead him, and he bolts, he won't get far. He won't have the satisfaction of running around, avoiding you. Just put him to work immediately, making him run around the around the round pen, changing directions frequently until he tries to slow down on his own. Then make him run a little bit longer (maybe another minute or two) to establish your dominance. Then try leading him again. If he bolts, do it all over again. Kept repeating this until he'll follow you submissively. I wouldn't take him out of the round pen (to live) until he leads on a loose lead rope, and shows respect for it and you. This has gone too far, and he could seriously injure you with his bolting, and might even attempt to run you over in his quest to show you he doesn't have to listen to you. I'd take all privledges away from him. I'd feed and water him, and that's it, UNLESS I was working with him on leading. Before long, I bet you'll be able to put him back in his old pen and have no trouble. But the second he tries bolting again (if he does) it would be right back to the round pen for at least a week, until he was solid again. I would NOT put up with that kind of behavior from any horse.

firegurl979 · 10-27-2008, 12:21 AM

I'm not putting up with it.

Its very unacceptable. It was very random and spontaneous though. He hasn't tried that with me before and I've had him a year. I don't know what prompted that behavior... -.-

Kiwi Pony · 10-27-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tbtrainer

...I'd be hesitant to walk him with a lunge line... he can gather more speed as he gets further away from you, and then you will have a loose horse dragging a lunge line... more dangerous than just dragging a lead.

Me too.

You could also bridle him to lead him.

Or, clip the lead rope to the side of the halter - it's much harder for him to get leverage away from you if you do that. It makes a big difference because it's easy for him to pull straight (like once he's pushed past you and is charging off ahead), but not so easy for him to resist a sideways pull.

Argonaut · 10-27-2008, 04:08 AM

Sometimes they just off days, they are more susceptable to things than us.

dvineequine · 10-27-2008, 04:21 PM

you really need to define your space. You need to be a good leader.
I also recommend a rope halter ( soft rope) as it rewards when the horse is correct, while a chain has no reward.
look on you tube for some Natural horsemanship techniques to use.

Sweetsizzlinrumour · 10-28-2008, 07:31 AM

my suggestion would be to start rounded penning the horse or lunging so you can start to get the respect you need..After you get him respectful from the round penning/or lunging then go back to leading lessons he will be much easier to teach and a lot more respectful..sometimes we have to go back in the training to find out where the week points are and fix that and then go back to where we were and they will be a lot better.

TimmysMom · 10-28-2008, 11:25 AM

I was watching Chris Cox on RFD the other night and he was having the same problem. What he did, was go into the arena and wait for the horse to barg through - which he did right away, so he swung his rope at him, round and around, until the horse stopped.
Then as he tried to lead him again, the horse took off - so Chris gave him something to run from - the rope again. The horse circled maybe twice and stopped.
The next time Chris led him, he followed like a puppy.

Hope this helps.

SumLikeItHot · 10-28-2008, 12:08 PM

I agree, lead him with a lounge line.

when he tries to bolt, jerk on him,but ultimately let him go and lounge him in a circle and make him work his ** off. Do this as many times as it takes. Pretty soon he wont want to being doing all that work.

jhalton · 10-28-2008, 09:34 PM

what is the big deal about rope halters, may I ask?

I have always used the, um, other sort. I know there is something to do with "natural horsemanship" but seriously what difference does it make?

10-28-2008, 07:31 AM	#17
Sweetsizzlinrumour Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 328 Images: 24	my suggestion would be to start rounded penning the horse or lunging so you can start to get the respect you need..After you get him respectful from the round penning/or lunging then go back to leading lessons he will be much easier to teach and a lot more respectful..sometimes we have to go back in the training to find out where the week points are and fix that and then go back to where we were and they will be a lot better. __________________ My daughter loves me, be jealous

10-28-2008, 12:08 PM	#19
SumLikeItHot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 452 Images: 26	I agree, lead him with a lounge line. when he tries to bolt, jerk on him,but ultimately let him go and lounge him in a circle and make him work his ** off. Do this as many times as it takes. Pretty soon he wont want to being doing all that work. __________________ ~Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever ~

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10-26-2008, 01:25 PM	#11
firegurl979 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 1,425 Images: 3	thanks for the imput. Today I worked him in the round pen a bit and really concentrated on woah. He was being respectful and walking with his head at my shoulder, stopping when i stopped. huh. I also used a rope halter. He seems to respect that much more for some reason.

10-26-2008, 04:44 PM	#12
seaecho Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 881 Images: 23	I'd put him in a round pen, if you have one, no bigger than 60x60.' That way, every time you put the halter and lead rope on and attempt to lead him, and he bolts, he won't get far. He won't have the satisfaction of running around, avoiding you. Just put him to work immediately, making him run around the around the round pen, changing directions frequently until he tries to slow down on his own. Then make him run a little bit longer (maybe another minute or two) to establish your dominance. Then try leading him again. If he bolts, do it all over again. Kept repeating this until he'll follow you submissively. I wouldn't take him out of the round pen (to live) until he leads on a loose lead rope, and shows respect for it and you. This has gone too far, and he could seriously injure you with his bolting, and might even attempt to run you over in his quest to show you he doesn't have to listen to you. I'd take all privledges away from him. I'd feed and water him, and that's it, UNLESS I was working with him on leading. Before long, I bet you'll be able to put him back in his old pen and have no trouble. But the second he tries bolting again (if he does) it would be right back to the round pen for at least a week, until he was solid again. I would NOT put up with that kind of behavior from any horse.

10-27-2008, 12:21 AM	#13
firegurl979 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 1,425 Images: 3	I'm not putting up with it. Its very unacceptable. It was very random and spontaneous though. He hasn't tried that with me before and I've had him a year. I don't know what prompted that behavior... -.-

10-27-2008, 04:08 AM	#15
Argonaut Full Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: England Posts: 252 Images: 5	Sometimes they just off days, they are more susceptable to things than us.

10-27-2008, 04:21 PM	#16
dvineequine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 362	you really need to define your space. You need to be a good leader. I also recommend a rope halter ( soft rope) as it rewards when the horse is correct, while a chain has no reward. look on you tube for some Natural horsemanship techniques to use.

10-28-2008, 11:25 AM	#18
TimmysMom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Potrero, California Posts: 969 Images: 1	I was watching Chris Cox on RFD the other night and he was having the same problem. What he did, was go into the arena and wait for the horse to barg through - which he did right away, so he swung his rope at him, round and around, until the horse stopped. Then as he tried to lead him again, the horse took off - so Chris gave him something to run from - the rope again. The horse circled maybe twice and stopped. The next time Chris led him, he followed like a puppy. Hope this helps.

10-28-2008, 09:34 PM	#20
jhalton Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 542 Images: 13 Blog Entries: 40	what is the big deal about rope halters, may I ask? I have always used the, um, other sort. I know there is something to do with "natural horsemanship" but seriously what difference does it make?