[accphotography]

Oh oh oh oh LOOK!

http://www.whinnyfarms.com/dance.html

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[RiddleMeThis]

NICE!! I still think that whole family is splash. And I am beleiving more and more that Puchillingui is splash.

[accphotography]

Well unfortunately being by a full to Racey and out of Dancebel... where id it come from... YET AGAIN!? LOL!

I love her!!!

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[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by accphotography

Well unfortunately being by a full to Racey and out of Dancebel... where id it come from... YET AGAIN!? LOL!

I love her!!!

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I know! I saw the pics and wanted to see the lines and was like ****. Stuck again lol As far as puchlingui I mean it more of the more splash I see without blue eyes.

[JBandRio]

What a beautiful mare!! Yes, even taking away her chrome, she's very nicely built. If I was looking, I would take a serious look at her

[accphotography]

I agree JB&R. I just brought her to the attention of a certain breeder trying to produce a certain foal this mare could really help her with. There is some suspiscion about something being wrong with her though that her breeder let her go (and go quietly) and now she is for sale at a rather low price. She may be fine, but it's a too good to be true thing. Personally, if I had $5,000, I'd take the chance. She is very nice indeed.

Also... some suspiscion as to whether or not she has frame since it doesn't say and it's not obvious. I say she absolutely does... but you know...

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[OVS]

Hello Everyone!

I just joined this cool site... largely because of this post! I have long had a suspicion that the Racey line carries the splash genetics. We own Rumors' full brother, Remarquez, and have a few foals on the ground by him. What I have found is that regardless of who he has been bred to (sabino or solid or rabicano), they usually end up with socks/stockings and a blaze- most of the time the blaze "drops off" to one side. There have been two completely solid foals, but the two completely solid foals were both seal bay/near black (for those who do not know, seal bay supresses almost all white). The sabino/rabicano mares' foals have very little more white than the solid mares which makes me think that it is not the sabino he is passing along. Sabino + Sabino typically means LOTS of sabino! Sabino + Rabicano typically means LOTS of white- somewhere. Also, the two chestnut fillies we had this year have solid lines delineating between the white and the dark of their stockings- usually sabino has a shading between the two of lighter hairs, merging into the darker ones. One bay filly born this year out of a solid mare had a HUGE falling-off-the-face blaze, and 1/2 vertical sock on one front pastern... This is not typical of sabino genetics and almost makes me think...Splash???

Because of my splash suspicion, and the small clues his babies have been giving me (albeit in minimal forms), I had been looking for a nice mare with blue eyes to breed Remi to for some time (I turned down a couple of them- one with obvious conformational challenges, and the other was a bleeder (can you believe someone would honestly try to sell a mare as a broodmare prospect with a heriditary issue??)Trail horse or local show horse, maybe, but Pleeease don't breed it!!Geeeze!). Well, I finally found THE one! Hunter type TB mare with a blue eye, and some possible (again-just an inkling of suspicion on my part...) splash or sabino coloring as well. Her foal should be an extremely competitive Kiddie Hunter. I think the cross between Remarquez and Blue will tell us if this line really does carry the splash genetics, as I have maximized the expression with this cross... of SOMETHING!!

So, to shed what I can on the splash with the Racey line (or at least with this one stallion we have), Yes., Remarquez does carry the Frame genetics, and Yes, he also has many sabino characteristics: Roan sock, Roaning through coat, stockings are jagged, with edges murkey(lined). He does have a belly spot (clear edges), near the bottom of his belly, and his privates are pink skinned & splotchy. He does pass along lots of chrome, but not super-characteristic of sabino... The splash question is still up in the air, but I am privately trying to breed FOR the splash characterisitcs- at least with the one cross.. just to see. He does pass his frame genetics, but again, it seems that whether he passes frame or not makes no difference on the amount of white he passes. Maybe this is because he really has not bred many mares with any white or white in their pedigrees? I don't know... So far, he has only been bred to mares with sabino/rabicano/solid. And only one of the mares have been extremely marked (clydesdale mare- foal is up on our site- she looks like the other ones born this year- stockings and blaze- except one stocking is MUCH higher and goes up her back leg). So, it seems regardless of the mare, he is throwing lots of chrome- not so much the expression on the sabino/frame yet...

Next year, we are expecting the Blue foal, and another foal out of a fabulous wildly marked Rabicano TB mare (have to say, I bought this mare for her beautiful topline- I only found out that she was rabicano when I went to go pick her up and got a good look at her cool tail!!). We also have one out of a solid bay mare with minimal white- not considered a sabino (she was my "control", to see what kind of white he would produce on a mare who had no expressed color, but had bloodlines known for producing color).... we will see!!

All in all, this breeding thing is just a bunch of fun! Speculating on the babies, and searching for the best mares for your program! My hats off to TCF- they seem to have been able to perfect it- just LOOK at FF! I LOVE her! I'm posting a photo of Blue so you all can see for yourselves!

[JBandRio]

Well hi there OVS!! Welcome! I hope you stick around

Remarquez is on my short list of boys for my girl, so you may be hearing from me one day in the year future

I LOVE Blue! Is she really that big? How tall is she? You had BETTER be here to post pictures of her foal by Remarquez

Since I really started leaning about Splash, I too have always thought Racey Remarque was Splash.

FWIW, I do think the Dance mare IS Splash. The edges of her white legs are far far too smooth for them to be (only) from Sabino.

[OVS]

Hi JB-

Thanks for the welcome! This is such a cool site! How great is it that we can all share our personal breeding stories, successes, and tragedies so we can all learn from each other??!!

This is one of those times where the photo can be a bit deceiving. Unfortunately, the ONE thing I had to compromise on Blue WAS her size. I love everything about her from her movement to her conformation, to her temperament (truely the BEST horse I have ever ridden- so willing and comfortable!) and right down to her color. The person ducking behind her in the photo above is my 10 year old daughter. Blue is only 15.1h. I searched for so long for a quality mare, that I was all right with compromising on height on her because I got every other part of the package I was looking for to make a sound, sane and colorful competitive foal. Plus, Remi is a solid 16.1h, so I am hoping the foal will get a bit of his size. If not, then at least we have a competitive small adult/ children's Hunter prospect that will hold up under competition, and hopefully be nice enough to win a few...

I will definately post photos of both Blue's foal and our cool rabicano mare's foal who is due to arrive in late Feb/Early march... Blue is due in mid- May. I'm keeping my fingers & toes crossed for Splash Overo!

[accphotography]

Welcome OVS! Nice to have another color enthusiast here, particularly one who has an open mind with regards to color in TBs.

Based on what I have in my head is the phenotype of splash. Remarquez fits the bill. Blue is a given. Only thing about her I can't figure out is where hers came from. I am quite familiar with the mare and saw her on the market (and secretly dreamed LOL).

I secretly hope Blue's foal doesn't get Remarquez's frame as it will be easier to tell what's going on with the pattern. I hope you get a homozygous splash, but seeing how minimal the splash lines in TBs are it still probably wouldn't be a loud one.

I'd also like to applaud you and thank you for insisting that no frame mares will be bred to your boy. That says alot about you as a breeder imo.

Not a Thoroughbred, but here's my splash with frame (tested). Always an excuse to show her off. LOL! Your boy would have been on my list of possibles if she hadn't tested positive for frame:


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