[Smoke N Lace]

On, those poor creatures. I have a question. We frequently see posts about people starving their horses. I keep seeing (and have made) comments about: If I couldn't feed them, I would give them away to good homes, etc. I mean it when I say that and I know you do too. What is wrong with people who can't make that decision for the animal's welfare? I don't mean "He's a scumbag!". What allows a person to let animals get in this condition and not do anything about it? Is it a psychological defect that won't allow them to deal with the problem? What does a person have wrong, psychologically, that will allow them to do this? Then, you have the person who does it once, then does it again, then does it again. What is truly wrong with those people? Is there a name for it? Is it a problem like anorexia where people weighing 60 lbs look in the mirror and see a fat person? Do those owners truly not see what the horses look like? Can someone please explain this to me?

[Peg D]

Originally Posted by Smoke N Lace

On, those poor creatures. I have a question. We frequently see posts about people starving their horses. I keep seeing (and have made) comments about: If I couldn't feed them, I would give them away to good homes, etc. I mean it when I say that and I know you do too. What is wrong with people who can't make that decision for the animal's welfare? I don't mean "He's a scumbag!". What allows a person to let animals get in this condition and not do anything about it? Is it a psychological defect that won't allow them to deal with the problem? What does a person have wrong, psychologically, that will allow them to do this? Then, you have the person who does it once, then does it again, then does it again. What is truly wrong with those people? Is there a name for it? Is it a problem like anorexia where people weighing 60 lbs look in the mirror and see a fat person? Do those owners truly not see what the horses look like? Can someone please explain this to me?

I suspect that they don't see what others see and a combination of, they are thinking they will get to it and fatten that horse up as soon as.............
(insert whatever crisis they are going through) finances, injury/illness, etc.

[OzCowgirl]

There are coalitions of malicious people who go around conspiring to report neglect when there is none, at studs with valuable horses, so they can acquire and sell the horses?

It's not outside the realm of possibility. If it's true, then it needs to be investigated and reported on.

She should have had someone appear on her behalf or at least sent a friend in to appear to explain her inability to attend.

Anyone seeing the picture of that chestnut would be appalled at how emaciated it is. It's a natural human response. She may have had the best of intentions, but her intentions did not translate into a healthy horse. It's neglectful to allow a horse to deteriorate like that, regardless of the circumstances.

JMO

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by OzCowgirl

There are coalitions of malicious people who go around conspiring to report neglect when there is none, at studs with valuable horses, so they can acquire and sell the horses?

It's not outside the realm of possibility. If it's true, then it needs to be investigated and reported on.

She should have had someone appear on her behalf or at least sent a friend in to appear to explain her inability to attend.

Anyone seeing the picture of that chestnut would be appalled at how emaciated it is. It's a natural human response. She may have had the best of intentions, but her intentions did not translate into a healthy horse. It's neglectful to allow a horse to deteriorate like that, regardless of the circumstances.

JMO

I agree

Just one horse to let go that far of emancipation is not right.
I know circumstances come up, but if situations came about that a few horses were that badly emanciated, then why did she have others.

There is no witch hunt or snap decisions made.
Pictures tell the true story of some of her horses in this case.
And for them to go to the University of Minnesota, they have to be bad.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by luckyducky

The owner has never been "busted before ". I happen to know the person in question ..

I am sure you wouldn't, which I understand, give us her name.
It would be interesting to google her name, or find out if she has had past charges like the media said.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by luckyducky

oh yeah, I forgot to mention, when I said this person has never been "busted " before, means that both the seizures happened within weeks of each other, so there is no history of neglect. .

Is this the one you are talking about?

I see you are new here, welcome.


Investigators rescue eight horses and a donkey from Isanti County farm

The woman who owns the animals had previously had 15 neglected horses confiscated on another property.
Investigators rescue eight horses and a donkey from Isanti County farm



Sounds like she was in over her head, or something else.

At the horses expense

[pocahontas]

"By September, authorities had learned of the Mora address, and Kanabec authorities went there and seized 15 horses. They discovered, however, that five other horses had been moved.
The same day, investigators tried to seize the three horses and donkey from the Rush City location, but the woman had moved them. Investigators searched real-estate sales records to track the woman to Stanchfield."
Investigators rescue eight horses and a donkey from Isanti County farm


Sounds like some game playing is going on?

[pocahontas]

Doing more checking. Sounds like this woman had horses spread out, and many in bad shape.
That just does not happen by a financial mishap.
She has to have something wrong with her.

Minnesota Hooved Animal Rescue Foundation
More than 30 Horses Seized in 4 cases

You may have seen a report on the local news recently regarding 23 horses, many of them Arabians, and a donkey seized in a case covering three counties in Minnesota. Those horses have been joined by 12 others from three additional cases bringing the total to 35 new horses under the care of MHARF in the last few days. Most of the horses will be in rehab for a time, and some are still enroute.

[moonpi11]

I didn't hear about this on the news, due to the emergency surgery and unexpected horrendous tumor found in my Warmblood Banner. He passed away on Wednesday...

But I honestly didn't hear about this lady in Isanti...GOOD GRIEF...

Luckyducky...did you know this woman before you bought a horse from her? She may very well have had properties all over Minnesota with horses on those properties that no one was really aware of.

I am not going to accuse this woman...since I do not know anything other than what I have read here...but seems as though the authorities took these horses over because they saw neglect. Plain and simple.

[Timber_blaze]

I wish there had been pictures of the place the horses were taken from. Was there water, bedding, stacks of hay and grain, or just a bare field with too many horses on it? If the facility was maintained and the horses looking like this, that would support the idea that they are thin from illness, nursing, etc. If the horses were found like this in an empty field with no grazing, little water and no shelter, I would definitely consider it a case of neglect.