[CountryBoy]

As long as I have been around horses I have never chose one based on color or bloodlines. I pick a horse based on what I see in it for what I want it to do, the same horse I want to rope of is not going to have the build and mind set I want in a putt putt horse.

My question is I want to do some breeding and get confused on registries. I'm looking at a few studs and a few new mares. My horse are all BS Paints and 1 QH gelding, none are registered just bill of sale and brand inspection. My choice on most the horses I have had over the yrs. are the QH and Paint breeds, there just the type of builds I hunt for. As far as breeding them that is were I get lost.

Here are some of the things I need to be pointed in the right direction with.

(1) A Paint bred to Paint can be a Paint or if not enough color a breeding stock paint. Is that the only way that can turn out?

(2) A Paint stud bred to a QH can go as a Paint if enough color, or breeding stock Paint if not, but never a QH registry? Is that the only way that can turn out?

(3) A QH stud bred to a Paint, is it the same as question 2?

(4) QH bred to QH will be a QH unless it crops out then you can have Dual registry as a QH and Paint. Is that the only way that can turn out? Also I hear the APHA is not allowing crop out in anymore? True?

(5) QH stud bred to TB or TB stud bred to QH are both still Appendix?

(6) All the same questions only TB and Paint crosses.

I will have a few more questions if some of these get answered. My biggest problem is it seems the only way to get a QH is QHxQH. I don't understand why then a QHxPaint or PaintxQH will only fall under a Paint registry even if it is solid. Seems it would be so much easier if it just went off the dam, such as a PaintxQH makes a solid baby it's a QH, makes a colored baby it's a crop out. QHxPaint makes a solid baby its breeding stock or colored it's a paint. Hope you can understand what I'm asking.

Thanks

[Isis67]

I understand. I have no answers sorry... Trying to register a horse or figuring out how can be one of the most confusing things. So many exceptions and then requirements. It's no longer worth it for me.

[*BaRrEL_BaBE*]

(1) A Paint bred to Paint can be a Paint or if not enough color a breeding stock paint. Is that the only way that can turn out?
As long as both are registered, yes. If it is a breeding stock, it can still get papers.
(2) A Paint stud bred to a QH can go as a Paint if enough color, or breeding stock Paint if not, but never a QH registry? Is that the only way that can turn out?
True for the most part but there are lower registries such as the "Half Quarter Horse" registry.
(3) A QH stud bred to a Paint, is it the same as question 2?
Same.
(4) QH bred to QH will be a QH unless it crops out then you can have Dual registry as a QH and Paint. Is that the only way that can turn out? Also I hear the APHA is not allowing crop out in anymore? True?
I have heard this, too so that means that the horse would only be allowed AQHA papers if this rule has been passed.
(5) QH stud bred to TB or TB stud bred to QH are both still Appendix?
Correct.
(6) All the same questions only TB and Paint crosses.
A Paint and TB will be APHA, provided both are registered.

[Super Step]

Correct on all but this one. As I understand it now, one of the parents must be a registered Paint for for the foal to be registered as a Paint. Paint is offically a breed registry, not a color registry. The other parent must be from a breed accepted by the Paint Association ie QH.

AQHA was basically forced to expand the the maximum limits of white markings because they are also a breed registry. DNA had proven both parents of some foals born with excessive white were infact 100% QH.

(4) QH bred to QH will be a QH unless it crops out then you can have Dual registry as a QH and Paint. Is that the only way that can turn out? Also I hear the APHA is not allowing crop out in anymore? True?

[*BaRrEL_BaBE*]

Originally Posted by Super Step

Correct on all but this one. As I understand it now, one of the parents must be a registered Paint for for the foal to be registered as a Paint. Paint is offically a breed registry, not a color registry. The other parent must be from a breed accepted by the Paint Association ie QH.

AQHA was basically forced to expand the the maximum limits of white markings because they are also a breed registry. DNA had proven both parents of some foals born with excessive white were infact 100% QH.

(4) QH bred to QH will be a QH unless it crops out then you can have Dual registry as a QH and Paint. Is that the only way that can turn out? Also I hear the APHA is not allowing crop out in anymore? True?

One way to confuse the world even more. I have heard rumor of this rule but also come across conflicting remarks on whether it is being used or not.

[Appylvr]

It is all very confusing.... I have a B/S palomino colt out of my QH mare and it would be so nice if I could register him as a QH Oh Well... Just My Thinking on this.... i would think the AQHA wouldn't want this done because these resulting foals have the color genes in them from the paint parent and could produce more horses with a lot of white that could be registered QH. The AQHA has never liked horses with too much white on them. That's why there were the restrictions on white markings. That has been changing, though, for the last few years and now, yes, crop out QH can now be registered AQHA.

To answer most of your questions..... If you breed a Paint to a Paint, TB, or QH and the foal has enough color it will be registered in the APHA regular registry. If the foal does not, then it will be registered in the B/S (breeding stock) registry.

The APHA is now only registering foals that have 1 Paint parent. If it doesn't then they won't. So no more crop outs (Gambling Man)

If you breed TB and QH the horse will be registered in the Appendix registry, but if you show the horse (I'm not sure how much or what would be needed) the horse can be registered in the regular AQHA registry. I read this in my AQHA handbook, it's old maybe I'll find it and look again.

(A little hint) if you're going to be breeding for color in paints..... it's easier to get a tobiano than an overo It's too bad cause I think the overos are much more stunning!!!

[*BaRrEL_BaBE*]

Originally Posted by Appylvr

(A little hint) if you're going to be breeding for color in paints..... it's easier to get a tobiano than an overo It's too bad cause I think the overos are much more stunning!!!

Ah yes but they are also known carriers of lethal white.

[CountryBoy]

Thanks for the help so far. So if the AQHA don't want a lot of white and the APHA don't want the QHXQH crop outs are we looking at yet another new registry? ACQHA C= Colored. Heck from what I have seen the APHA treats the BS as if they wish they were not around. Why not a registry for them as well ABSPHA. Better a use for them then off to the chop chop plant. So what we would have is to breeds with a color and solid registry for each. Don't make much sense to me, If you stand 2 horses side by side one being colored one being solid, do you have a Paint and QH?, a Paint and BS Paint?, a QH and a crop out? What I'm getting at with that is I can't tell the breeds based on color. I understand a Paint is just a high end Pinto, and that most Paint people are die hards. Both my BS Paints are alive because I could careless about color. If I hadn't pick them up they were on the way to you know where. Why? because they had no color, can't show them, don't want to breed them, don't want it getting out your Paint stud made a solid baby and I'm sure there is more reasons. I would think the APHA and AQHA would welcome new bloodlines in to help try better both breeds. So why would it be so hard for the colored QH to find a home with the APHA, and in the same turn the solid Paint find a home at the AQHA, would save a few lives and add new blood to both sides. I din't set out to turn this into a debate but I did some checking and reading last night. It looks like the APHA and AQHA are both shooting themselves in the foot.

[*BaRrEL_BaBE*]

Originally Posted by CountryBoy

Thanks for the help so far. So if the AQHA don't want a lot of white and the APHA don't want the QHXQH crop outs are we looking at yet another new registry? ACQHA C= Colored....Don't make much sense to me... It looks like the APHA and AQHA are both shooting themselves in the foot.

These are the mysteries of life.

[Bubba]

The APHA originally "closed its doors" to unknown stock type horses with color, to keep out any gaited horse blood. They really wanted the registry to turn into a "colored QH's" registry. I've heard rumors about the APHA not letting in crop out QH's too, since the AQHA started allowing those crop outs to be registered QH.

Very strange and complex

I think you've got a good idea of how things turn out with each cross, though, involving Paints, QH's and TB's. The key is that *all* horses involved must be registered with the AQHA, APHA, or Jockey Club. (Except Paint; they still want one registered Paint parent, I believe).