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    When I realized that the frog splits the hoof capsule in the back to allow one side to move up while the other moves down.
    wrong. , the frog and its matching internal structures (the digital cushion and all the supporting ligaments that tie the foot together inside) are supposed to STABILIZE the rear of the foot. That is what happens even in a BARE FOOT , IF it has strong cartilage structure inside. Thje movement in a HEALTHY hoof is nothing like that foot they show in the website. it is mostly up and out at the heel bulbs. If a hoof sheared the heels like that, that would be one VERY SORE horse from the tearing of the laminae in the heel area.
    Some horses however have very weak hooves and a lack of the internal structure that ties the back of the foot together. Like the one in the razer shoe website. Only a poor quality weak foot can move like the one.
    it became apparent to me that a shoe had to be designed to coexist with this basic function.
    well they have badly misinterpreted the "basic function" of a hoof .
    Itīs obvious that a hoof must flex to stay healthy.
    Not flexing like that.
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    You may think your right but until you see all the horses they've tested, and you remember we don't exactly breed for feet.
    They do have 10 years of science and testing behind this product. Slow motion videos and pictures. Give them a little more time and I think they will have it out. Them being based around where I live I've really got to see this product work. I tested the original model in Texas. My farrier came up with the new design. It's not meant to be super flexible and not offer support. It's supposed to flex as the hoof wall would.When they first brought the Razer shoe to me, I was probably the most skeptical of all. I thought it was just another fad. These shoes look so aggressive I thought that I would need hock injections in a week! Well, I was wrong. When they brought this new design to me, I was pleasantly surprised when my colt could still slide to a stop but get traction where he needed also. Imagine that, a shoe that both slides and offers traction. I first tried these shoes on Miss Jb 078. She was incredibly fast but would feel like she was spinning her wheels around the barrels. She had alot of heart and was trying so hard. Razer shoes gave her the edge she needed. In three weeks she went from the 3d, bottom of the 2d, to the 1d. She felt like she was getting traction where she needed it but was still able to slide in behind the barrel which was her style. I now have them on my colt, by Dash Ta Fame. He is so aggressive behind a barrel I think that loss of traction actually put us behind where we should be now. When I put Razer shoes on him, he felt like he was standing up behind a barrel instead of the insane sliding he was doing previously. He would try to turn and then try to run and now it's one fluid motion. In a couple of runs he was finishing his barrels better, I haven't had trouble on any kind of ground, and I've been very happy with his progress. We also put these shoes on a few clients horses. One of my girls who runs the same arena every week and about the same time too picked up a good solid 3/10ths. Moving her from the 3d to the 2d. Barrel racing is about the whole body, leg, tendons, joints, feet, and preventing body/muscle soreness. The main point of the Razer shoe is to move as the foot would naturally. Perfectly mimicking the natural hoof movement. Which means when we go around the barrels, we are allowing the hoof wall to move instead of being rigid and stressing all the joints on the limb. I know we would all love to keep horses barefoot, (it's cheaper especially!) but barefoot going down the road is almost impossible. All the concrete and gravel, concrete stalls, horses pawing beside a trailer, etc... There are just to many factors that damage a horses foot. I think Razer is a great alternative to being barefoot. It's also a great alternative to a rim, the unique design of a Razer shoe allows both slide and grip in all the right spots. The first shoe that I believe puts science on your side. I tell everyone, try them on one, and you'll put them on everything.


    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Stiller View Post
    wrong. , the frog and its matching internal structures (the digital cushion and all the supporting ligaments that tie the foot together inside) are supposed to STABILIZE the rear of the foot. That is what happens even in a BARE FOOT , IF it has strong cartilage structure inside. Thje movement in a HEALTHY hoof is nothing like that foot they show in the website. it is mostly up and out at the heel bulbs. If a hoof sheared the heels like that, that would be one VERY SORE horse from the tearing of the laminae in the heel area.
    Some horses however have very weak hooves and a lack of the internal structure that ties the back of the foot together. Like the one in the razer shoe website. Only a poor quality weak foot can move like the one.
    well they have badly misinterpreted the "basic function" of a hoof .
    Not flexing like that.

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    You may think your right but until you see all the horses they've tested, and you remember we don't exactly breed for feet.
    They do have 10 years of science and testing behind this product.
    Well I have about 30 years and 50,000 sets of trims or shoeing to prove how a bad foot can become a good foot, in other kinds of shoes.
    Slow motion videos and pictures.
    yeah> well Isee the results in the feet, and how they change.
    Give them a little more time and I think they will have it out. Them being based around where I live I've really got to see this product work. I tested the original model in Texas. My farrier came up with the new design.
    AAAAAHHH.....so you have some vested interest in his product. That explains it.
    It's not meant to be super flexible and not offer support
    .really? why then do they show a hoof that is shearing to a gross degree in the website?
    It's supposed to flex as the hoof wall
    would.
    Again, given my decades of professional experience, in my opinion if a hoof flexes that much is is a very, very poor quality hoof .
    When
    they first brought the Razer shoe to me, I was probably the most skeptical of all. I thought it was just another fad.
    same with me with NB principles, ancd the Nbshoes . (no flex.... and wow a totally different trim approach than I was taught.)
    When they brought this new design to me, I was pleasantly surprised when my colt could still slide to a stop but get traction where he needed also. Imagine that, a shoe that both slides and offers traction.
    There are about a zillion other shoes that can do that too. And barefoot. .
    I first tried these shoes on Miss Jb 078. She was incredibly fast but would feel like she was spinning her wheels around the barrels. She had alot of heart and was trying so hard. Razer shoes gave her the edge she needed.
    Well good you found something that works for your horse. But you don't say what kind of shoes she had before....likely not the right ones. There were plenty to choose from.... dozens in fact. How many had you tried?
    The main point of the Razer shoe is to move as the foot would naturally.
    Perfectly mimicking the natural hoof movement.
    Read my previous post. the foot they shoe in the website is hardly natural ....it is poor and weak.
    Which means when we go around the barrels, we are allowing the hoof wall to move instead of being rigid and stressing all the joints on the limb.
    All you need to accomplish that is a shoe with a fully rolled edge instead of flat So the shoe can roll into the ground at the same angle as the leg is tilted.Or barefoot if the horse has a good enough foot.
    know we would all love to keep horses barefoot, (it's cheaper especially!) but barefoot going down the road is almost impossible.
    Then you have a poor footed horse.
    I think Razer is a great alternative to being barefoot. It's also a great alternative to a rim, the unique design of a Razer shoe allows both slide and grip in all the right spots. The first shoe that I believe puts science on your side. I tell everyone, try them on one, and you'll put them on everything.
    You wont ever see them on my horse or my clients.
    Featherbow and Amarea like this.
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    PS I actually had a couple of these shoes in my hands the other day and the remind me WAY too much of the flimsey race plates that help destroy so many horses feet.
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    There are always going to be people who are too stuck in their old ways to change. I have been training horses a long time and I always use what kind of shoe my farrie thinks my horse needs given the problem at hand. Yes these shoes are working for my colt. They also are working for several other big barrel racers. Everyone who has tried them have loved them. Every person I've talked to hasn't had a problem. In my opinion you don't shoe feet. You shoe the limb. Digital alignment is number 1. Everyone sees the foot.
    So you can pick my words apart Patty, but my horses work good, handle the ground, haven't been lame, and improved. I won't argue with results

    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Stiller View Post
    PS I actually had a couple of these shoes in my hands the other day and the remind me WAY too much of the flimsey race plates that help destroy so many horses feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIBarsV View Post
    I would pick Patty's recommendation of the PLR shoe over the Razer. I've used a similar rim shoe (inner rim higher) on my gelding when he was recovering from acute laminitis and they were fantastic. He wasn't running at the time, but if I had a barrel horse who absolutely "needed" shoes (unlikely considering it's "me" ), I would use the same again.

    Wide-web, swedged steel with inner rim higher than outer (And Equipack CS for the solar protection-- not necessary on a horse with a good sole. Of course a horse with a good sole wouldn't even NEED shoes to run.








    Sorry to bring up such an old thread, but what brand of shoe is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trstarranch View Post
    I think alot of people are missing the point. I have them on my colt and he still slide stops, they get slide and traction. It's a new thing of course people are skeptical. There has never been the technology in this field. These are awesome shoes, they slide and get traction. People need to be more educated about them. Everyone says try the other shoes but it's the temper of the metal that's unique. If you see the shoe it has a rolled edge and an inner rim that fills with dirt. The hind shoes have some slide towards the back but still have a rolled edge on the outside, if you think that they are too sticky try learning how a horse moves. The first one through the wall always gets the most!
    How do you shape the shoe to the foot? It sounds like spring steel to me.

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