[Dawn]

Originally Posted by sweet mustanq

oooooo, i ment like a complete feed..and its in textured form.
He's on that compete 10/10 i told you about a long time ago. And honestly it did very well for him.

TB's diet as of right now :

1 scoop (3quart) twicedaily. He was on 2 scoops twice daily up-until maybe 3 days ago. I cut him back because the grass is grown like crazy!
And hes at a very nice weight and i didnt want him getting to much.

He comes in everynight and is getting about 3-4 flakes of orchard and alfalfa mix. Its only about 20 % alfalfa.
I also have straight timothy too. Just havent used any yet.

He has a great size pasture to run around in and eat haha. And hes out for atleast 10-12 hours aday.

As well as the finishline supplement..paprika..and im going to use the rice bran oil

twh diet as of right now:

1/2 scoop of re-leve http://www.re-leve.com/
twice daily.

As well as paprika, rice bran oil, and a hoof supplement that i get from my vet.

I do understand that im not feeding the correct amounts...thats another reason to be changing the diets!

As far as brands available to me... i cant get just about anything.

just let me know a brand and i will check!

I remember now! Do you have a link to the complete 10/10? I think I've seen it before, but I can't remember. (My brain really isn't what it used to be, lol.)

The twh could easily switch onto a ration balancer.

The tb will probably do well with a little bit of fat supplementation added in.

[sweet mustanq]

I dont see the actual link to it but heres all the info about it!

Description :

Compete 10/10 HE is a super premium fully fortified textured sweet feed, formulated with the competition horse in mind. Manufactured with optimum levels of soluble fibers, oils and the highest quality grains, Compete 10/10 HE provides a 20% boost in energy over conventional sweet feeds. Soluble fiber and oils repeatedly provide for long lasting energy release and controlled performance in the equine athlete.
Compete 10/10 HE is a highly palatable product ideal for any discipline requiring a feed with high levels of energy but reduced protein content. Compete 10/10 HE is designed for the trainer requiring a calorie dense feed that is "non-heating" nor results in a horse that is difficult to handle or mentally too "high".

Nutritional Facts :

Protein: 10%
Digestible Energy: 1500 kcal/lb
Fat: 10%
Fiber: 10%
Calcium: 0.7%
Phosphorus: 0.55%
Zinc: 120 ppm
Copper: 40 ppm
Vitamin: A 5,500 IU/lb.
Vitamin D: 650 IU/lb.
Vitamin E: 100 IU/lb.
Magnesium: 0.25%
Selenium: 0.3 ppm

Feeding instructions :

Compete 10/10 HE is a fully fortified textured sweet feed. It is not necessary to add additional protein, vitamin or mineral supplements if this feed is fed as directed. Feed at the rate of 6-18 pounds per day depending on the intensity of the work, size and body condition of the horse. Always provide a clean, fresh source of water as well as high quality hay.

And I get this feed from hallway feed here in kentucky..heres the link to their web site. http://www.hallwayfeeds.com/

you can also find the feed on that site.

[Dawn]

Okay, that's what I thought I remembered. It's just a texturized sweet feed with an elevated fat content.

[sweet mustanq]

soooo hum...what to feed them?

i can really get anything.. i can get triple crown,purina,legends, just anything really..

i can get anything from southern states. And also..i used to feed somthing called M30.

its a ration balancer and we buy if from mccauley's

heres the link
http://www.mccauleybros.com/supplements/m30.cfm

[Dawn]

I'm still curious as to exactly what you can get.

Buckeye, Triple Crown, Progressive, not sure what big name but only regionally distributed brands you might have available as well.

[sweet mustanq]

i can get any of thoes.. as well as legends and purina..

I added some more text in my last comment..i went back and edited it so..you might have missed the things i added.

take a look at the M30 and tell me what you think.

[Dawn]

Okay, my first reaction here would be to use Triple Crown Senior (6-7 lbs/day) for the tb. And Triple Crown 30% for the twh (1 lb/day assuming no work 1.5 lbs if light work).

That, to me, is the simplest, healthiest option.

You could also use the TC 30% for the tb and add in forage and fat sources and get the same result.

[sweet mustanq]

could i use the rice bran oil as a fat source?

and when you say forages...what do you mean...

[Dawn]

For instance, you could probably use 1.5-2 lbs of TC 30%, 4 lbs of alfalfa pellets or beet pulp, and 1 lb of BOSS or 2 lbs of rice bran to get roughly the same effect as 6 lbs of TC Senior.

You could use rice bran oil as a fat source, but you would have to do so in the amount of 1 1/2 cups/day. And I personally have never had nearly as good of results with oil supplementation as whole food supplementation (and others have experienced that as well).

Personally, I'd just go with the TC Senior. It doesn't have anything bad in it, the other mixture wouldn't have anything particularly beneficial in it. And it would be simpler and overall perhaps slightly better balanced.

[sweet mustanq]

okay thank you (:

did you happen to look at that M30?

jw..what you think about it.