[Rae]

Sire: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mr+t+bar+joker

Dam: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kings+crystal+moon

These are the parents of my yearling colt. Going by that bloodline, what *should* he be able to do? A little of everything?

Also, he has Poco a couple of times, and Impressive once on the sire side, and his great-grandsire was N/H, should I get him tested for HYPP & HERDA? Or can someone tell me if those horses are negative?

Thanks!

[Klaycock]

I cant say for the HYPP unless you know someone closer than great-gs that was N/N, if not yes I'd have him tested just to be safe. As far as bloodlines...Mommas has some very very nice speed lines. I LOVE Top Deck! Dad's side has a nice mix of speed, halter, and performance. I would say your little one should easily make a great all-around prospect in deed. Go by his height and what he likes. If he is leaner and tall let him run,or go english, if he's short and middle with a power house hinney hit the cows, and if he's short he'd be good with cows too. Course if he ends up just massive in the muscle departments he can always halter and ride too..lol Have any pics??

[doublebarr]

Rae - after looking, there's nothing close enough or "strong" enough to be able to say "THIS" is what he's supposed to do. He's got quite a mix of lot's of lines. So, in that case it's going to completely depend on him, his heart and his build. This is where pictures will say more than a pedigree.

Also, I would HYPP and since he's a gelding, I wouldn't worry about the HERDA test as if he's a double carrier, you will know by 4 years old. If you were breeding him, then it would make a difference.

[Rae]

Gotcha. I was thinking he'd be an all arounder. I have old pics in my gallery, I don't wanna post any new ones because he's a mess. And I saw Impressive in his sire's lines & said HUH?? He's a scrawny, narrow little thing! And it doesn't help that he wasn't very well taken care of, either.

DB--you would or wouldn't worry about HYPP? He's not a gelding yet, but he will be, definitely. So I don't need to worry about HERDA, necessarily?

Thanks so much!

[doublebarr]

Rae - I would be concerned about HYPP and would test because it can start affecting a horse from the day it hit's the ground. Even if you are gelding him, I would do a cheap HYPP test so "if" he is, you can try and mannage it as best as possible through diet and care.

I wouldn't worry about testing a "gelding" for Herda, as it isn't debilitating when you first see the signs and the signs are obvious. Usually, they start showing up from 2 - 4 years old (around saddle training time). It cannot be potentially "managed" with any care and the responsible thing to do is to humanely euthanize a horse that is afflicted as soon as the signs are there. It is a painful disease, but not until or if he starts "loosing skin".

The reason I would still test a gelding for HYPP is because it's not something that is "easily visable" many times and sometimes it can be "managed" to an extent with diet and care.

[Klaycock]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

Rae - I would be concerned about HYPP and would test because it can start affecting a horse from the day it hit's the ground. Even if you are gelding him, I would do a cheap HYPP test so "if" he is, you can try and mannage it as best as possible through diet and care.

I wouldn't worry about testing a "gelding" for Herda, as it isn't debilitating when you first see the signs and the signs are obvious. Usually, they start showing up from 2 - 4 years old (around saddle training time). It cannot be potentially "managed" with any care and the responsible thing to do is to humanely euthanize a horse that is afflicted as soon as the signs are there. It is a painful disease, but not until or if he starts "loosing skin".

The reason I would still test a gelding for HYPP is because it's not something that is "easily visable" many times and sometimes it can be "managed" to an extent with diet and care.

Very well put! Your very good at typing what you mean...give lessons? lol I am terrible at it

[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by Klaycock

Very well put! Your very good at typing what you mean...give lessons? lol I am terrible at it

LOL, I'm always afraid that my fingers are going faster than my brain, or the other way around and it will get all jumbled, LOL. Thank you.

[Rae]

Thanks so much, I appreciate your help! My thinking with the HERDA--wouldn't it make more sense to test for it and find out whether he has it NOW, rather than put all the money & effort into him only to have to put him to sleep as soon as he's saddled? I don't mean that to sound shallow or anything.

[doublebarr]

Rae - it's not shallow at all and if you want to then by all means test. However, HERDA, unlike HYPP is a recessive gene. So, there must be two copies for the horse to actually have the disease. A single copy will not affect the horse itself at all. It's when two carriers are bred and both pass on their HERDA gene to the resulting foal that the disease is passed on in "affecting" form. Just remember, HYPP-only takes one: HERDA - it takes two.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Also like some things there are degrees of it... some are worse than others... I guess the closest way to say what I am trying to say is like cancer or HIV... some have it for years before they are really affected. I know many many carriers that have become awesome show horses.

If you really want to know then test. I would be a whole lot more concerned about HYPP than Herda.