Proud cut geldings

Cowgirl1013 · 10-04-2006, 09:44 PM

I just have a quick question. I was taught "proud cut" ment they were gelded late ( like after 5 yo). On another thread someone mentioned that it ment there was some stuff left so he could still produce testosterone (sp). If it is the latter then what do you call a horse that was gelded late? Is there even a name for it? Thanks

Shotgun93 · 10-04-2006, 09:51 PM

A horse that is gelded late is just that, gelded late. Since there is no rule about when you should geld a horse, there isn't an exact term that I am aware of.
Proud cut geldings are geldings that didn't get completely gelded, some tissue was left behind, allowing for testosterone to still be produced.

Cowgirl1013 · 10-04-2006, 10:03 PM

Thanks for clearing that up.

Sue B · 10-04-2006, 10:43 PM

Yup....second what Shotgun posted!

And, just to expand on this topic....
Proud cut may have once been more common, but in today's "science-minded" world, it would require either a really incompetent vet....or an unknowledgable person doing a botch job to end up with a proud cut gelding. Most of the vets that I have delt with in the last 20 years actually show you that they have gotten all the tissue they should to confirm that they are not leaving you with a proud cut gelding.

Many people have misconceptions about if a gelding is proud cut or not. Sexual behavior is inherent...I don't even think it has to be learned. Many geldings exhibit sexual behavior, even if gelded fairly early....but especially if gelded after sexual maturity has been reached.

cjohns · 10-05-2006, 12:45 AM

I always heard that "proud" cut meant that they had experience the "joyful event" with a mare before they got cut. Therefore they will always have the urge, because they have experienced it and know what it's like.

Shotgun93 · 10-05-2006, 12:59 AM

Nope, it just means that there was some "stuff" left behind. And, that shouldn't be confused with a cryptorcid (why can't I ever spell that?) which is a colt that hasn't dropped both testicles or a monorcid where only one testicle dropped.

SalemsMom · 10-05-2006, 01:18 AM

I had a gelding that wasn't gelded untill he was nine years old,and he was cut he was a perfect saddle horse,never would have guessed he was cut late,and then I have seen youngsters that are cut proud,and they are ruined,still will mount mares in the pasture,or act studish around other horses. It all depends on how much of the tube they take,and if the stop the tostorone. When i have one gelded,the first thing I tell the vet, "Don't let him come up off the ground,"proud cut"! The vet knows exactly what you want then. There is a lot of people who like proud cut,because they like their horses,with a lot of fire,and to be proud.

Crazy4Bays · 10-05-2006, 01:29 AM

I have a quesion. My gelding mounts other mares, so would he be considered proud cut? He's an ex racehorse, so like salem said, would they want the extra fire and energy for him? Or can geldings that aren't proud cut still know what to do?

Blistering Winds · 10-05-2006, 02:17 AM

Nope....he is just a gelding.

Unless your horse has high level of testosterone.....which are few and far between. You'll be hard press to find a TRUE Proud cut gelding.

Just too many people use that term wrong. "FIXING" an animal doesn't change the fact that it is Male or Female. Sexual drive is in the BRAIN as well. Not just in the fuzzy plums. So unless we do brain surgery as well, that drive and idea of what to do is still there.

idlewild · 10-05-2006, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

Just too many people use that term wrong. "FIXING" an animal doesn't change the fact that it is Male or Female. Sexual drive is in the BRAIN as well. Not just in the fuzzy plums. So unless we do brain surgery as well, that drive and idea of what to do is still there.

Lmao, I thought that getting a colt gelded was brain surgery. We are just removing two extra brain cells arn't we?

lol

10-04-2006, 09:44 PM	#1
Cowgirl1013 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Heart of wine country, Oregon Posts: 2,911 Images: 173 Blog Entries: 1	Proud cut geldings I just have a quick question. I was taught "proud cut" ment they were gelded late ( like after 5 yo). On another thread someone mentioned that it ment there was some stuff left so he could still produce testosterone (sp). If it is the latter then what do you call a horse that was gelded late? Is there even a name for it? Thanks __________________ ~ Katie Pacific NW Riders Rocking K Pet Tack and clothing 4 sale

10-04-2006, 09:51 PM	#2
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 15,377 Images: 133	A horse that is gelded late is just that, gelded late. Since there is no rule about when you should geld a horse, there isn't an exact term that I am aware of. Proud cut geldings are geldings that didn't get completely gelded, some tissue was left behind, allowing for testosterone to still be produced. __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

10-04-2006, 10:03 PM	#3
Cowgirl1013 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Heart of wine country, Oregon Posts: 2,911 Images: 173 Blog Entries: 1	Thanks for clearing that up. __________________ ~ Katie Pacific NW Riders Rocking K Pet Tack and clothing 4 sale

10-05-2006, 12:45 AM	#5
cjohns Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 565 Images: 107 Blog Entries: 1	I always heard that "proud" cut meant that they had experience the "joyful event" with a mare before they got cut. Therefore they will always have the urge, because they have experienced it and know what it's like. __________________ *Crystal*

10-05-2006, 12:59 AM	#6
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 15,377 Images: 133	Nope, it just means that there was some "stuff" left behind. And, that shouldn't be confused with a cryptorcid (why can't I ever spell that?) which is a colt that hasn't dropped both testicles or a monorcid where only one testicle dropped. __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

10-04-2006, 10:43 PM	#4
Sue B Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,824 Images: 6	Yup....second what Shotgun posted! And, just to expand on this topic.... Proud cut may have once been more common, but in today's "science-minded" world, it would require either a really incompetent vet....or an unknowledgable person doing a botch job to end up with a proud cut gelding. Most of the vets that I have delt with in the last 20 years actually show you that they have gotten all the tissue they should to confirm that they are not leaving you with a proud cut gelding. Many people have misconceptions about if a gelding is proud cut or not. Sexual behavior is inherent...I don't even think it has to be learned. Many geldings exhibit sexual behavior, even if gelded fairly early....but especially if gelded after sexual maturity has been reached.

10-05-2006, 01:18 AM	#7
SalemsMom Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,788 Images: 6	I had a gelding that wasn't gelded untill he was nine years old,and he was cut he was a perfect saddle horse,never would have guessed he was cut late,and then I have seen youngsters that are cut proud,and they are ruined,still will mount mares in the pasture,or act studish around other horses. It all depends on how much of the tube they take,and if the stop the tostorone. When i have one gelded,the first thing I tell the vet, "Don't let him come up off the ground,"proud cut"! The vet knows exactly what you want then. There is a lot of people who like proud cut,because they like their horses,with a lot of fire,and to be proud.

10-05-2006, 01:29 AM	#8
Crazy4Bays Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern Colorado Posts: 1,320 Images: 151	I have a quesion. My gelding mounts other mares, so would he be considered proud cut? He's an ex racehorse, so like salem said, would they want the extra fire and energy for him? Or can geldings that aren't proud cut still know what to do? __________________ -Barbi's Cindy (Cheyenne (Shy))--> 7 y/o APHA Palomino Overo Mare

10-05-2006, 02:17 AM	#9
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 32,426 Images: 864 Blog Entries: 18	Nope....he is just a gelding. Unless your horse has high level of testosterone.....which are few and far between. You'll be hard press to find a TRUE Proud cut gelding. Just too many people use that term wrong. "FIXING" an animal doesn't change the fact that it is Male or Female. Sexual drive is in the BRAIN as well. Not just in the fuzzy plums. So unless we do brain surgery as well, that drive and idea of what to do is still there. __________________ Can I have a midlife crisis now?

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