[Beeks]

Stormy..you really need to get wireless All I wanted was the proof you said you had witnessed of the Pryor Mountain horses being hurt and injured so I went on a hunt myself and found the website I posted. I find this daily blog to be about as factual about what is happening, that we are going to find. The guy writing the blog is NOT a BLM member but rather an advocate of the Pryor Mountain Mustangs. He delivers his daily thoughts and experiences along with photos that follow his activities and document his story, with calm factual maturity. If horses had been trampled and legs broken or foals killed in this round up to date, he would have written about it. So far, a few bumps and scrapes from leaping out of the squeeze shoot is about all he has seen and he is right there in the thick of it.

All Debbie could do was post dramatic video without narration about a completely different round up that was taken in 2008.

As far as the plentiful grazing in the Pryor Mountains, I will believe the people who actually live in the area that say the grazing is depleated before I will believe those who have never stepped on Montana/Wyoming soil.

One thing does puzzle me though. The Pryor Mountains are on Crow Reservation Land. How is it the BLM has any right to gather unless they have been given permission by the Crow Nation?

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Beeks

Stormy..you really need to get wireless I'd be tickled to death to have wireless.....but it's not available here.All I wanted was the proof you said you had witnessed of the Pryor Mountain horses being hurt and injured so I went on a hunt myself and found the website I posted. I find this daily blog to be about as factual about what is happening, that we are going to find. The guy writing the blog is NOT a BLM member but rather an advocate of the Pryor Mountain Mustangs. He delivers his daily thoughts and experiences along with photos that follow his activities and document his story, with calm factual maturity. If horses had been trampled and legs broken or foals killed in this round up to date, he would have written about it. So far, a few bumps and scrapes from leaping out of the squeeze shoot is about all he has seen and he is right there in the thick of it. Well, like I said, I'll post the link to the info I've gotton as soon as I get ahold of my sons laptop. But, it IS current, and it DOES have all the info that I've stated here in it.

All Debbie could do was post dramatic video without narration about a completely different round up that was taken in 2008.

As far as the plentiful grazing in the Pryor Mountains, I will believe the people who actually live in the area that say the grazing is depleated before I will believe those who have never stepped on Montana/Wyoming soil.
Considering that there's more than enough land to keep these horses healthy......it's just that they have reduced the amount "allotted' to the horses. The cattle seem to take precedence, because they will produce money. The horses won't. That's all this whole affair boils down to. It really doesn't have anything to do with their not being enough grass for the horses.....there isn't enough grass for BOTH the horse and the cattle.
One thing does puzzle me though. The Pryor Mountains are on Crow Reservation Land. How is it the BLM has any right to gather unless they have been given permission by the Crow Nation?

A lot of herds run on reservations.....the BLM does what it wants.

[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

A lot of herds run on reservations.....the BLM does what it wants.

WRONG!! Read the following, the BIA has authority over the BLM on Tribal lands. This document IS directly from the Crow Nation.

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial.../framework.pdf

[doublebarr]

More really good reading to get informed on the program and the area:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/custer/proje...rses/PMWHR.pdf

Beeks, check out the maps. The areas where the horses are being removed are NOT on Crow lands and the Monument designation is just on their border, not into their area.

[Beeks]

I think what I found the most disturbing was some of the comments in Debbie Z video made by the protesters. Especially the one lady who said, if there is not enough food to sustain them, then let them die. Let Nature take care of it.

This is the people who don't want to see the horses suffer?

In some parts of the south right now, the feral pig population is getting dangerously out of control. Feral pigs are shot on sight. Nobody is protesting this. Why? Because feral pigs create an inbalance in the ecosystem which threatens native species. Oh....and pigs aren't pretty or noble. At least, not to the average Joe.

[Debbie z.]

I wish all herds a good life. Everyone has their own resources,passions,beliefs. I hope through all this it works out for all the herds.

[VivaLasVegas]

Originally Posted by Beeks

In some parts of the south right now, the feral pig population is getting dangerously out of control. Feral pigs are shot on sight. Nobody is protesting this. Why? Because feral pigs create an inbalance in the ecosystem which threatens native species. Oh....and pigs aren't pretty or noble. At least, not to the average Joe.

I dunno about that... didn't Russel Crowe's pig save him from a fire?

[Beeks]

Did he save him from a fire, or save his own behind from becoming BBQ'd. Mmmmmm.

[Stormyheart6160]

You decide..................(some interesting info about the BLM)

You decide – How corrupt is the BLM?

You need to make the decision yourself and, after reading the information, decide if this whole issue is being blown all out of proportion or if indeed the Federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is completely out of control and is a law unto themselves, accountable to no one, and is driven by a series of administrations as corrupt as anything imagined.

This link is to a District Court decision forbidding the BLM from rounding up horses in Colorado. The details are there, the decision is final, read it for your own education.

http://www.thesoulo fahorse.com/ PDF%20Files/ JudgeCollyerAugu st5-2009Opinion. pdf

Next to the final line is this statement, “A prerequisite to removal under the Wild Horse Act is that BLM first determine that an overpopulation exists and that the wild free-roaming horses and burros slated for removal are ‘excess animals.’”

Not done in the case of Cloud’s herd.

Previous statements by the BLM was that they would remove only 70 of 190 horses. Today they are exceeding that number – by going beyond their specific Herd Management Area (HMA) and rounding up bands outside of their legal perimeter in Custer National Forest, branding and tagging them and shipping them to holding pens ready to be sent away. All this is being done by a contractor previously convicted of “..capturing and killing unbranded horses, mares and colts running at large on public land…”

Let’s just momentarily forget the fact that the BLM is attacking this one herd for reasons not fully explained and that no mention has been made of the extreme interest in this area by the Skyline Uranium Corporation, which has direct ties to the United Arab Emirates.

Let’s overlook the fact that we only have (the numbers are in dispute) between 12,000 to 30,000 wild horses left free on land belonging to you and I, that they are being removed because of “over population,” “for protection,” “to prevent starvation,” and are being replaced by eight MILLION head of cattle.

I suggest that we don’t even think about the fact that cattle ranchers have fenced off access to water, that a reportedly two-thirds of the BLM budget goes to feeding and care of the 30,000 horses the BLM has previously rounded up, or that the BLM cannot come up with the data necessary to determine how many horses a range can fully support.

For a little more information, watch this video:
http://www.youtube. com/user/ VoluntaryInstinc t

If you are not outraged yet, read on.

Today I became aware of another fact, one that is so shocking and horrid that it is impossible to even think about. The BLM supposedly has 30,000 horses in holding pens scattered throughout the US, doing nothing more than waiting to die. Now we find out that the BLM refuses to release information on the exact number. Why?

There is a very good possibility that large numbers of these once symbols of America have been secretly shipped across the borders and slaughtered with the full knowledge and acceptance of the BLM. An investigation is now underway. I expect nothing more than a continued cover up by the government. It will take private individuals and organizations to find out the truth.

The White House is being bombarded by phone calls, yet not one word is being uttered. Today, Cloud’s herd is being destroyed by the very government that promises to “protect, manage, and control wild horses and burros to ensure that healthy herds thrive on healthy rangelands. The BLM manages these living symbols of the Western spirit as part of its multiple-use mission.”

You decide. If you find that the destruction of our wild horses is a fact, then complain. If you don’t, who will?

1. Call/write/fax President Obama as often as you can—this herd is a national treasure and should not be wiped out by a government agency. Please flood the phone lines with calls! Phone: 202-456-1111 or 202-456-9000 Fax: 202-456-2461

2. Ask Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar to stop this round up
Call: 202-208-3100

3. BLM Director Bob Abbey, tell him to halt this round up-- he must reconsider his agency's actions
Call: 202-208-3801 or 866-468-7826
Fax: 202-208-5242

[Nicker]

I worked for BIA on Yakama Nation, BIA has the authority over those lands not BLM. However because BIA and BLM are under Dept of Interior BIA can request help from BLM in their quest to manage those herds. The Indian Government must sign off on BIA's decisions esp. regarding ownership of those horses. Yakama Nation had began rounding up their herds, adopting them etc. With WNVirus prevalent in the area they graze I believe nature will take its course on the young, weak and old. There are estimate 5,000 horses on those lands. I saw the depleted feeding grounds, I saw the inbreeding, etc. I applaud them for addressing the problem the decision not to allow starvation, poor health comes with controversy whereever.

You are going to voices from both sides, only those there know the truth. Go if the Crows allow you on their lands and see for yourself.