[VivaLasVegas]

Originally Posted by Lyrical Lass

And you think BLM are the only ones who "really" know what's going on???
And that ALL the others ... are just on a "band wagon??
People like Carol Walker
http://wildhoofbeats.blogspot.com/20...mountains.html

...hmmmmmm ... BLM ... government ... ulterior motives, underhanded objectives, innocents moved to make room for something that will Pay???
Ohhhh Yeah, we know We Can Take what THEY say to the Bank!!!

... lol .. erm, sorry ... being a 1st Nation member (Native American) forgive me if I just can't follow your path on that one
~ Lyrical Lass

I trust the BLM because I have seen what they do head on. I believe gathers are neccessary. These horses are treated humanely, and are given everything they need.

While I like the idea of pretty wild horses, I have to be realistic and understand they can't be left unmanaged.

As for the "band wagon"... I'm sorry, but I can't trust a woman who won't give me any direct answers when I ask her a question. I can't trust a woman who slanders the BLM to put money into her own pocket instead of actually helping these horses. I say this because I take money out of my own pocket every day to help them. Maybe the govt has some sort of ulterior motive that the BLM employees on the ground level don't know about (because they love their horses - most own their own mustang). But I know Kathrens has her own agenda as well.

[VivaLasVegas]

What really grinds my gears is that there has never been this much of a strink over a gather before.

So now what, cause a horse you saw on tv might be rounded up everyones freaks out?

I'm still waiting for my answer on what makes Cloud so special and more deserving to stay out than a younger, stronger stud who can stamp out his offspring with spanish characteristics too?

[Debbie z.]

Originally Posted by Lyrical Lass

No offense intended VivaLasVegas .... but what makes Your particular information "correct" ... and everyone else's Incorrect??
~ Lyrical Lass

Thanks for support.

[Debbie z.]

Originally Posted by VivaLasVegas

I trust the BLM because I have seen what they do head on. I believe gathers are neccessary. These horses are treated humanely, and are given everything they need.

While I like the idea of pretty wild horses, I have to be realistic and understand they can't be left unmanaged.

As for the "band wagon"... I'm sorry, but I can't trust a woman who won't give me any direct answers when I ask her a question. I can't trust a woman who slanders the BLM to put money into her own pocket instead of actually helping these horses. I say this because I take money out of my own pocket every day to help them. Maybe the govt has some sort of ulterior motive that the BLM employees on the ground level don't know about (because they love their horses - most own their own mustang). But I know Kathrens has her own as well.

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It's all over the news nationwide they were on The Today show The woman ho has been filming Cloud as soon as he was born. She was asked to take over this story by Marty Lauer. They were having a special prayer ceremony for the herd, the native americans who live there and see this herd everyday.
And as for your answer you may be a super hero around here. And take money for donations and volunterr. But this round up is not a local rescue for some neglected pony. And it's legit enough to have been taken to court to stop this infront of a federal judge. And if your allowed to stay up late past your bedtime you'd understand the adult world and problems going on outside this state. This is nationwide and I'm sure your hands are not in the middle of this illegal procedure. There's more than one BLM. This is not just a pretty pony story. The population is not in any danger as far as forage. If you watched the news and followed this story you would not be so ignorant. I am not employed by this organization nor is any answer gonna satisfy your young mind. Just a real horse owner who cares about the breed enough to reach out for support to sign a petition to protect them. All you had to do was decline and keep going. For someone your age you need more experience.If you choose to decline fine but please don't reply directly to me. Thanks to all who have an interest in these free spirits to remain free and unharmed.

[Lyrical Lass]

Will "Greed" Always be covered up and swept under the carpet????

Somehow We MUST find a way to expose crooked greedy government, Not be afraid to rile the greedy cattle men and their ruthless lobbying associations and ill gotten land leases!!!
ALL Americans need to be informed ... Eyes need to be opened and the uranium mining plans for the Pryor Mountains need to be looked into.
~ Lyrical Lass

YouTube - The Capture of Cloud's Herd

[bnttyra]

Ok, from someone who has grown up right by the Pryor Mountains and camped up there every summer since I was a baby until I went to college, what a crock of ****! In the video that was posted, there was not a single Native American protesting, just older white people who are probably tree huggers! Correct me if I am wrong but most of that mountain range is on either Northern Cheyenne or Crow indian reservations,which means it is their land. They have the right to manage it however they feel is correct. If they want to open uranium mines, they can do such, although I don't recall that area being rich in uranium but coal. So all this is over non public lands so we as the public have no right to say what goes on there.

What I am interested in is how wild that herd really is? I mean have they been there for centuries or are they really the result of horses let loose and they were not able to be caught again. It is very common or was, for many of the local indians to just turn their horses out, not in corrals or pastures but out on the open range and only to herd them up when say Crow fair came around or they needed a horse for some reason. Many times they would just grab the first horse they caught whether it was theirs or not because many in the Crow tribe view all horses belong to all Crow members, it just depends upon who you talk to.

[Lyrical Lass]

Originally Posted by bnttyra

Ok, from someone who has grown up right by the Pryor Mountains and camped up there every summer since I was a baby until I went to college, what a crock of ****! In the video that was posted, there was not a single Native American protesting,.

Howard Boggess, Member of the Crow Tribe of Indians, Elder and Historian talks about the Pryor Wild Horses he's known all his life. Mr. Boggess discusses what could happen if the roundup of Cloud's herd goes forward on Sept. 4th. Everything that is against the law for me they are planning to do to these horses. This is a very sad thing as far as Im concerned. The horses have lived here for over 200 years. Even under the harassment of the BLM theyve survived.

YouTube - Crow Elder and Historian Speaks Against Round Up of Cloud's Herd

And Sincere Thanks Crow Elders for This special ceremony!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32671842#32671842

Originally Posted by bnttyra

.. just older white people who are probably tree huggers!

Ohhh Wooo Hooo .. LmaoOOOOoooo .... yeah ... those [Edited by Mods] old tree huggers ... we oughtta round all them up as well
...sorry ... OMG, that was just Tooooo Funny!! .. sad and unbelievably shallow .. (I can't believe someone would actually say that except as a joke .. so I'm assuming it was meant to be funny
~ Lyrical Lass

[Nicker]

As a range management specialist the devastation horses unchecked can do (any ungulate for that matter: elk, cows etc) on a range/grassland is astronomical.

But what is worse is when you find inbreeding. And thin starving horses that are struggling to feed another foal, often leaving that foal behind to survive. Moving, transporting, moving studs around, sterilizing, adoption, and groups that have taken some the mustangs such as inbred ones off range all can help but there are still situations where removal to protect habit for the rest is a fact not a choice.

When people complain about overgrazing of cattle, again its a learning fact that proper grazing can occur. And time is showing that.

Yes I have adopted BLM horses.

[Beeks]

Just watched the video of Clouds herd being captured. I saw nothing inhumane about it. The horses are in nice summer flesh and will most likely be adopted out. They are going to be sought after because they came from his famous herd. Their bidding prices will be more than the basic $125. BLM would be turning their backs on a huge educational and financial opportunity to take those nice looking, healthy horse across the boarder, when there are such poor representatives of their breed standing lock kneed in holding pens.

Is the issue their capture and the their freedom taken away or is it the fear of them being destroyed in slaughter plants across the borders? Herd management, if we are going to allow wild horses to remain so, is essential.

I did not see Cloud anywhere either. Just alot of Dun factor, very nice looking horses.

[Stormyheart6160]

Well....the roundup has begun. They already have pics of horses with broken legs, and trampled newborn foals from the helicopters chasing them to the catch pens. Sure doesn't sound too humane to me???

What's even worse is.....Back in the early 90's, A Dave Cartoor was indicted on rounding up wild horses illegally, and transpoting them to a slaughter house in Texas. He plead guilty! Guess who the contractor is that is in charge of rounding up Clouds herd? Yep! Dave Cartoor!!!!

Just a little info the BLM doesn't want the public to know about. They'd rather have us all believe that Clouds herd is being rounded up in a safe way, and there are no injuries or deaths, and the people in charge of such, are actual horse lovers. Pfft!