Promoting Trainers

PaintedPNH · 05-02-2005, 01:41 PM

Okay so I've noticed a lot of people pushing the trainers they really like on people (ie Parelli, Clinton Anderson, Monty) It just really bugs me. You can come onto here and offer advice without saying "I recomend you buy _______, it will make your horse a lot better and make things easier" Like instead you could say "well I've been using _______'s Method and it has worked great! This is what you do __________." Instead of doing the above mentioned. People dont like it when you totally push things on them and I try to avoid saying "Parelli is THE best trainer, buy all his stuff!" instead I try to tell someone what to do to solve their problem rather than telling them they need to buy a certain product to begin fixing it. Thats what people come here for, not to be bombarded with programs and products.

SassyAngel · 05-02-2005, 01:52 PM

I agree with that. There are plenty of trainers I like, but I wouldn't ever push them on someone.. besides that, I'd have way too big of a list of trainers for people to study.. lol!

steeledancer · 05-02-2005, 01:55 PM

THANK YOU! I completely agree with this.

There are some users who I don't even bother reading anymore, because the advice is always the same. "Buy so and so's such and such, it will fix everything!"

No thank you, I know about those guys, and I know where to find their stuff. If you have experience with an issue, that is what I want to hear about. If your experience WAS learned from someone else, by all means, credit your teachers! But please, if I want to know more, I will ask, by PM or whatever.

Thanks again for bringing this up PPNH, I apparently don't have the backbone.

PaintedPNH · 05-02-2005, 02:00 PM

Whewfta! lol I was afraid I was going to be attacked!!! lol

Dancinglite · 05-02-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PaintedPNH

Whewfta! lol I was afraid I was going to be attacked!!! lol

If you are then so am I.

Never be afraid to state what you feel. If it is presented in a correct manner then it is as valid as any other opinion.

I am not a fan of any "trainer" that espouses you require special equipment, books or any other device to make their methods work. They are not trainers to me.

I practice parelli, John Lyons and natural horsemanship and it comes free and everyone has it.

It is called common sense !!

arabkid · 05-02-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dancinglite

I am not a fan of any "trainer" that espouses you require special equipment, books or any other device to make their methods work. They are not trainers to me.

I practice parelli, John Lyons and natural horsemanship and it comes free and everyone has it.

It is called common sense !!

lol I found my soul mate.....lol ok maybe not...but I agree with you more on this then you could ever imagin!

lpalomino · 05-02-2005, 03:29 PM

I think that sometimes valuable information is lost when others attempt to explain the techniques of accomplished trainers. Therefore I think it is best to get that information straight from the source. I much prefer to view the trainer's dvd or video myself opposed to having so and so tell me about it.
Just my opinion.

PaintedPNH · 05-02-2005, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lpalomino

I think that sometimes valuable information is lost when others attempt to explain the techniques of accomplished trainers. Therefore I think it is best to get that information straight from the source. I much prefer to view the trainer's dvd or video myself opposed to having so and so tell me about it.
Just my opinion.

Well in that case I think you should say "Does anyone know of any videos or material I can look at?" If someoene requests it specifically then its okay but dont just leave someone high and dry by saying "Get this video, get this book, you'll be okay" Say "While I was watching this video I saw something that could help, this is what they did, if you have questions about it you can pm me *or* the video was called ______"

Blistering Winds · 05-02-2005, 05:16 PM

There is a liability issue too, that some people look at. When giving advice, things go wrong, they blame you. So there are some that prefer to say who they get advice from, even if it costs money. But that is the wonderful world of horses. Some will tell how they do things, others will tell where THEY Got their advice without offering anything direct because they don't feel comfortable enough to explain it completely.

Sometimes it is best NOT to give advice if you cannot explain it fully.

But don't fret,

Everyone has their pet peeves!! LOL

pnh · 05-02-2005, 08:26 PM

yea this is true. i try to say why i recomend parelli methods which i follow and then tell them that parelli follows this so they know where they can find more information. i try not to just bombard them with parelli parelli parelli but im so passionate about it sometimes its hard and i have to work on my self control haha! i support all forms of natural horsemanship but i know parelli the best and i follow it and see the results so thats the method i explain. its worse when the horse is suffering unecessarily - then i think my self control just goes out the window and im jsut like " try parelli quick before you and your horse get hurt!!!!"
but yea. anyway! good point painted pnh.

05-02-2005, 01:41 PM	#1
PaintedPNH Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,533 Images: 287	Promoting Trainers Okay so I've noticed a lot of people pushing the trainers they really like on people (ie Parelli, Clinton Anderson, Monty) It just really bugs me. You can come onto here and offer advice without saying "I recomend you buy _______, it will make your horse a lot better and make things easier" Like instead you could say "well I've been using _______'s Method and it has worked great! This is what you do __________." Instead of doing the above mentioned. People dont like it when you totally push things on them and I try to avoid saying "Parelli is THE best trainer, buy all his stuff!" instead I try to tell someone what to do to solve their problem rather than telling them they need to buy a certain product to begin fixing it. Thats what people come here for, not to be bombarded with programs and products. __________________ Check Us Out At: http://www.pair-a-deiss.webs.com I am 110% PRO SLAUGHTER- and guess what? I still LOVE each and every one of my indentured servants.

05-02-2005, 01:55 PM	#3
steeledancer Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 852 Images: 22	THANK YOU! I completely agree with this. There are some users who I don't even bother reading anymore, because the advice is always the same. "Buy so and so's such and such, it will fix everything!" No thank you, I know about those guys, and I know where to find their stuff. If you have experience with an issue, that is what I want to hear about. If your experience WAS learned from someone else, by all means, credit your teachers! But please, if I want to know more, I will ask, by PM or whatever. Thanks again for bringing this up PPNH, I apparently don't have the backbone. __________________ My website: Tallman Training Centre If you think you can, you can - If you think you can't, you're right. Everything you do, do with all your might Because anything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT

05-02-2005, 02:00 PM	#4
PaintedPNH Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,533 Images: 287	Whewfta! lol I was afraid I was going to be attacked!!! lol __________________ Check Us Out At: http://www.pair-a-deiss.webs.com I am 110% PRO SLAUGHTER- and guess what? I still LOVE each and every one of my indentured servants.

05-02-2005, 05:16 PM	#9
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,705 Images: 811 Blog Entries: 16	There is a liability issue too, that some people look at. When giving advice, things go wrong, they blame you. So there are some that prefer to say who they get advice from, even if it costs money. But that is the wonderful world of horses. Some will tell how they do things, others will tell where THEY Got their advice without offering anything direct because they don't feel comfortable enough to explain it completely. Sometimes it is best NOT to give advice if you cannot explain it fully. But don't fret, Everyone has their pet peeves!! LOL __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

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05-02-2005, 01:52 PM	#2
SassyAngel Full Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chase, KS Posts: 264 Images: 3	I agree with that. There are plenty of trainers I like, but I wouldn't ever push them on someone.. besides that, I'd have way too big of a list of trainers for people to study.. lol!

05-02-2005, 03:29 PM	#7
lpalomino Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 139	I think that sometimes valuable information is lost when others attempt to explain the techniques of accomplished trainers. Therefore I think it is best to get that information straight from the source. I much prefer to view the trainer's dvd or video myself opposed to having so and so tell me about it. Just my opinion.

05-02-2005, 08:26 PM	#10
pnh Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 269	yea this is true. i try to say why i recomend parelli methods which i follow and then tell them that parelli follows this so they know where they can find more information. i try not to just bombard them with parelli parelli parelli but im so passionate about it sometimes its hard and i have to work on my self control haha! i support all forms of natural horsemanship but i know parelli the best and i follow it and see the results so thats the method i explain. its worse when the horse is suffering unecessarily - then i think my self control just goes out the window and im jsut like " try parelli quick before you and your horse get hurt!!!!" but yea. anyway! good point painted pnh.