Post your favorite colored warmblood stallions!

No1Dazy · 06-08-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shell

How about the very rare Knabstrup?

http://www.sonestafarms.com/frozensemen.htm#apollon

He's pretty, but what's a Knabstrup? I see Trakehner in his bloodlines, though...

JBandRio · 06-08-2006, 12:19 PM

Old/NA is the North American version of the German Oldenburg Verband. It was originally just a NA version, but after lots of arguments and heated words and huffing and puffing, it was disowned by the Verband, so is now totally separate. It goes along with the ISR (International Sporthorse Registry), so you will often see Old/ISR.

A Knabstrupper is a European WB that has been infused with appy spots.

Jenje! · 06-08-2006, 12:26 PM

Ohh...

What was the conflict between the Verband and Old/NA?

No1Dazy · 06-08-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

A Knabstrupper is a European WB that has been infused with appy spots.

Sounds like a shot you give to make an appy.

Here, infuse this mare with the knabstrupper vaccine to give her spots...

JBandRio · 06-08-2006, 01:02 PM

No1Dazy - lmao!! Good one

Jenje, that is a very long and complicated answer, one that was also very political, some of it very spiteful, some of it very much a personality conflict, and most of it having nothing to do with the horses themselves. Whatever you do, do NOT ask that question on COTH!

Just keep in mind they are TOTALLY separate - what is approved with one is not by default approved with the other, though in some very special cases an GOV (German Oldenburg Verband) stallion that was not formally approved Old/NA has been given special privileges for some of his foals, born to Old/NA mares (but not GOV) to be registered as Old/NA. There are also a lot of GOV folks now who feel that an Old/NA horses is not of any quality, and that is just BS.

Jenje! · 06-08-2006, 01:06 PM

Wow. See, now I'm tempted to go over and ask just to see the explosion.

Fun!

Shannon · 06-08-2006, 01:09 PM

Wow, I really like that chestnut pinto Umenno. He's got Samber on his dam's side, so he's got a bit different bloodlines than the Art Deco crew. Nimmerador on top

I'd never seen that guy!

IF you were to go with one of the KWPN pinto studs (Art Deco, etc) I do not believe you take the mares to an approval. If the mares are not KWPN registered but are arab or TB, the foals are registered. They are then presented at an approval at age 3 to be put into a stud book.

This is what I got from the NAWPN (North America's DWB registry) when inquiring about TB approvals:

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Thoroughbred mares at this time aren't inspected. A TB mare which has JC papers can be bred to an approved Dutch stallion and the resulting foal would be eligible for Register A papers. Register A horse's are eligible for inspection and at 3yrs or older can be presented for Studbook approval. All we would need to register a foal is a copy of the mares JC papers, 3 generation pedigree, a copy of the lease aggreement and if the mare has blood or dna markers on file for another registry it is $10 to request a copy. If the mare needs to be Dna typed the fee is $60.

JBandRio · 06-08-2006, 01:42 PM

Ahh, but, Art Deco is not approved with the Dutch

Registered, yes, but not approved.

Shannon · 06-08-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

Ahh, but, Art Deco is not approved with the Dutch

Registered, yes, but not approved.

What a good point. I totally forgot about that. He IS approved by the RHPSI though, if I remember correctly? They *do* inspect their mares, however I am not sure if they allow Arab mares.

With all this talk about the GOV and the Old/NA, could anyone specify which colored WBs are actually approved Oldenburgs? Mascarpone is RPSI/German WB if I remember right, as are his offspring. The Knabstrups are KNN, and I think RPSI.

Maybe it would just be easier to get them approved with the RHPSI, as they seem to have a vast selection of approved colored studs!

They also are VERY nice people and I do not believe overly "strict" as some registries have come to be known. They don't have their approval rules online, but the staff is very friendly and prompt. http://www.rhpsi.com/inspection/rhpsi_inspection.html

Shannon · 06-08-2006, 02:11 PM

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de/gfkk.html

I'd love to see what he would produce with your mare. The foal would be 7/8 Arab, but still an approved WB. And a possibly champagne baby?

06-08-2006, 12:19 PM	#22
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 22,449 Images: 138 Blog Entries: 12	Old/NA is the North American version of the German Oldenburg Verband. It was originally just a NA version, but after lots of arguments and heated words and huffing and puffing, it was disowned by the Verband, so is now totally separate. It goes along with the ISR (International Sporthorse Registry), so you will often see Old/ISR. A Knabstrupper is a European WB that has been infused with appy spots. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

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Jenje! Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,767 Images: 910 Blog Entries: 27	Ohh... What was the conflict between the Verband and Old/NA? __________________ ♥ Jen Zombies, Monsters &Ooze (a blog) That love is all there is, is all we know of love. - E. Dickinson *** VA Allure * BBA First Page * Instead Of Flowers ***

06-08-2006, 01:02 PM	#25
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 22,449 Images: 138 Blog Entries: 12	No1Dazy - lmao!! Good one Jenje, that is a very long and complicated answer, one that was also very political, some of it very spiteful, some of it very much a personality conflict, and most of it having nothing to do with the horses themselves. Whatever you do, do NOT ask that question on COTH! Just keep in mind they are TOTALLY separate - what is approved with one is not by default approved with the other, though in some very special cases an GOV (German Oldenburg Verband) stallion that was not formally approved Old/NA has been given special privileges for some of his foals, born to Old/NA mares (but not GOV) to be registered as Old/NA. There are also a lot of GOV folks now who feel that an Old/NA horses is not of any quality, and that is just BS. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

06-08-2006, 01:06 PM	#26
Jenje! Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,767 Images: 910 Blog Entries: 27	Wow. See, now I'm tempted to go over and ask just to see the explosion. Fun! __________________ ♥ Jen Zombies, Monsters &Ooze (a blog) That love is all there is, is all we know of love. - E. Dickinson *** VA Allure * BBA First Page * Instead Of Flowers ***

06-08-2006, 01:42 PM	#28
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 22,449 Images: 138 Blog Entries: 12	Ahh, but, Art Deco is not approved with the Dutch Registered, yes, but not approved. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

06-08-2006, 02:11 PM	#30
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 6,696 Images: 932 Blog Entries: 62	http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de/gfkk.html I'd love to see what he would produce with your mare. The foal would be 7/8 Arab, but still an approved WB. And a possibly champagne baby? __________________ Member of the HGS 20 Pound Club... Start weight: 133 Goal Weight: 103 Current Weight: 115

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