[firelight27]

Alrighty, I posted a grullo mare in the breeding forum, but I have since decided I do not want to risk her leg issues (she got in a bad accident as a three year old and now has a shorter leg on one side.)

Soooo, I found this buckskin tobiano mare. I really like her. I do not have any photos of her for a great conformation shot, but this is what I have:





These are her lines:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/one+sly+private+eye

She has Yellow Mount, Mr. San Peppy, Sugar Bars, on her papers, but all very far back.

To be honest, I expect people to tell me she is ugly and has nothing special for bloodlines, but I adore her. I wish she was a little less heavy/low in the neck and a tad shorter in the back, but besides that she is a stocky, bulldog type mare with a good hip (IMO). I just... like her. Allot. She has 30 days reining training. I am trading her for my western pleasure sorrel overo mare who is just about as bomb proof as they come.

This mare is bred to Sonnys Grand Scribble

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sonnys+grand+scribble

Scribbles, Music Mount, Sonny Dee Bar on his papers. He is a red dun overo with allot of splash.



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Here is his front end without head turned so you can see his neck/shoulder

I know these are awful pics, but he is just standing in a pasture, not all set up and spiffed out.

Love his hip. I am excited, and I know allot of people will tell me how crappy he/she is but I don't care. I guess this is more of a show off than a critique.

[angie099]

i love her! i think she is great obviously not perfect but do what you think will make you happy. If you think the trade is worth it do it!

[snoopsincharge]

I am not much into stock horses, so I won't comment on bloodlines. Besides, I believe the best pedigree doesn't help you, if the confo isn't there. They are just the icing on the cake for me.
So, for fwiw, I can only comment on confo...Now, please don't get mad, if you still like to keep that foal and still want to admire that stallion, more power to you. This is just all MHO, if you don't agree with it, that's fine!

You asked for critiques, and here is just one, mine:

From what I can see, I like HER a lot. Her confo looks overall smooth and balanced. However, take this with a grain of salt, because I really would like to see a confo shot of her too.
I do not like HIM at all. And I think the combo between them two is not good.

1. Yes, her neck could be a little thinner, however, it's nicely shaped. It's not low at all, It's actually rather high placed. It comes straight out of her withers in a smooth arch, no dip, no flat top line, so it's not a low neck. It's just a little thick in the base, but she also has a nice large chest and a lovely angled shoulder which makes her topline come further back into her back, which in return adds to the impression of thickness in the base. The neck itself is really not THAT thick. Yes, it could be a little thinner and more refined, but the shape and length is there. And the neck thins out enough in the top half, with a nice roundness going up to the poll and she has enough freedom in the throatlatch to make a nice riding horse. So overall it's a rather nice neck, I like it a lot. For breeding she would just need a stallion with a similar placed neck but a finer neck, more tb like, to improve upon her IF you want to improve that thickness a little. And these kind of stallions are pretty easy to find.
He instead has a homely, rather thick neck with a strong nest (that's a weak chest that runs into the lower neckline without any definition at the connection point) and it flattens out towards the poll and continues to stay thick all the way into the throat latch. I really do not like these kinds of necks, I find them rather unatractive.

2. She looks a little on the short legged side, so for a stallion I would choose something a lot more leggy then him, IF you would want to improve on that, because he's rather short legged as well.

3. He's quite a bit behind at the knees. I can't tell if she is also or not, it's hard to judge that from moving pics. But either way, straight legs should never be a compromise in a stud.

4. He's overbuilt in the croup almost creating a sway back. That big hip doesn't help him, if it's not attached correctly to the rest of the body. A lot of stallions have a nice hip. There's no reason to settle for all of the other faults just for a large hip.

5. She has a lot better top line then he has. And her back isn't really long at all. It's long enough to fit even a large western saddle comfortably, and short enough to not cause her any issues. Her withers come further back into her back then his, due to her better angled shoulder. And her withers are a little rounder an meatier then his, so it's harder to see where they end and where the back actually starts. Considering this and looking where her hip bone is and her buttox is, she is not really long in the back at all. He on the other hand, looks too short in the back to me, and that overbuilt croup and the light swayback isn't helping the impression. I wonder how someone would even fit a western saddle on him! It can imagine it jabbing him in the loins with every stride and sit on his withers and digging into his shoulders, because I haven't seen a western saddle that would be short enough to fit such a back, unless it was a small children saddle.

6. His shoulder is way too steep. She on the other hand, looks to have a lovely angled shoulder and you should try to keep this through choosing a stallion with a similar shoulder.

Overall, obviously I think she's a lot better quality then he is. She looks like she's well balanced. To me, besides his horrible neck, he just looks like he's put together by two different sized horses. I would definately NOT be interested in buying that foal she's carrying.

I understand you did not breed her, but are considering buying her in foal mainly for a future broodmare for yourself. In that case, if I were you, I would try to get a better deal on her purchase price after weaning/giving the foal back afterwards. Then I'd take that extra money I saved on the purchase price, plus the money saved on taking care of that foal for a year and invest that into a studfee of a nice stallion for next season.
It's so easy to improve upon your broodmares by choosing a very nice, compatible stallion.

[firelight27]

Well, the stallion wasn't my choice. They had a tobiano stallion on their page, but she said he had been gelded and belonged to her friend. Also, she already bred this mare to her overo stallion. I figured I would see what the baby came out like. If I decide to sell him/her, I can save the money for a stud fee the following year, and give her a year off of baby making to be riden. Then, I would like to maybe cross her on a foundation quarter horse.

[HUS_WP_lovr]

The mare's cute!

The biggest thing is her neck, it needs some length and work on the tying in.

Any ideas on what kind of color percenatages she's throwing? The perlino(cremllo?) foal by her side doesn't look marked at all.

The stud isn't great by any means,his neck is bad and with his neck coupled with the mare's neck you're bound to have a pretty short necked foal with a less than average shape and one that ties in not so hot.Not really setting up baby to have a gorgeous head either.


I think she'll make a very nice broodmare with the right stud. This stud just doesn't have the quality.

I personally would like to see her bred to something a bit lighter than a FQH but that's just me.

[I LuvMyHorses]

^I agree with HUS WP lovr

[imjustjoking22]

I too like her a lot but don't like him at all.

[firelight27]

I'm sure I'll be making the rounds for stud suggestions when I do rebreed her, but that will not be until... 2011. Such a long ways off! I am a ****** for FQH types. I agree that her neck is her biggest draw back (for me). If, by a miracle, you know of a FQH with a lighter than normal neck, let me know. I might try her with this guy:

http://itsmysite.com/cgi-bin/itsmy/g...lerpainthorses

The best confo shot is mid-way through the page. It seems to me that he has a pretty hooky neck for a stock horse and I think he is drop dead gorgeous in all ways.

[HUS_WP_lovr]

^^That stud doesn't have near enough length to his neck imo.

[firelight27]

What stud would you suggest? I do reining with my horses mostly. I have a yearling who I am going to do jumping/HUS with. He is an appendix. I might be into another hunter, but I doubt it, so a working cow horse/reining stud would be the best. It is WAY in the future, however, but I will keep the studs on a "future possibilities" list.