Pneumabort

Haas Horse Farm · 05-08-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Seein'Spots

I guess you just run a risk either way. I have read alot about mares aborting a week to three weeks after the shot so, how do you decide?
I really don't know what to do.

This is what happened to me... I will never do it again...

ryu2832 · 05-09-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Seein'Spots

I guess you just run a risk either way. I have read alot about mares aborting a week to three weeks after the shot so, how do you decide?
I really don't know what to do.

Every vet, every repro specialist, I've ever used were very clear that they wanted my mares to get the shots. It just happens to be that the timing of the 5,7,9 shots also happens to fall on major timepoints in the foals development.

If the mare went into shock immediately, and lost the foal or even within 24/48/72 hours of the shot--then that would be something. To say, I gave a shot 2-3 weeks ago and that's why she slipped...there's so many things that can go wrong.

If you feel that she shouldn't have that immunization, do you then not give the booster vaccinations 4-6 weeks ahead of foaling? What about fall vaccinations?

It's no gurantee that she will develop protective resistance if she's exposed, but to not give the shot is an absolute gurantee that she will not.

Rumonek · 05-09-2008, 01:13 PM

I've never heard of side effects of that shot. How can you be sure the shot is what caused your foal's absorption? I have never vaccined my minis with it, but with Rumor I did

China515 · 05-09-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ryu2832

Every vet, every repro specialist, I've ever used were very clear that they wanted my mares to get the shots. It just happens to be that the timing of the 5,7,9 shots also happens to fall on major timepoints in the foals development.

If the mare went into shock immediately, and lost the foal or even within 24/48/72 hours of the shot--then that would be something. To say, I gave a shot 2-3 weeks ago and that's why she slipped...there's so many things that can go wrong.

If you feel that she shouldn't have that immunization, do you then not give the booster vaccinations 4-6 weeks ahead of foaling? What about fall vaccinations?

It's no gurantee that she will develop protective resistance if she's exposed, but to not give the shot is an absolute gurantee that she will not.

100% agree with this. My mare got the vaccine in her last pregnancy. She had a healthy filly. I wasn't aware that there were negative side effects with this shot. However I agree that while the shot might not always work 100% of the time, you have a better chance giving it.

I would like to hear more from those ppl who had mares abort. Since my mare is almost 25 days along.

Seein'Spots · 05-09-2008, 01:43 PM

I would also like to hear more. my mares are 31 and 36 days along.

Acme Acres · 05-09-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumonek

I've never heard of side effects of that shot. How can you be sure the shot is what caused your foal's absorption? I have never vaccined my minis with it, but with Rumor I did

It's hard to prove either way. You need to do what you feel is in your horse's best interest and your own (as well as others that may be around your farm).

As far as Vets telling you yes, you need to do it... alot of that can depend on how much and what kickbacks are given to them too. Not all, but some do things just based on dollar signs.

Equine Repro · 05-09-2008, 07:55 PM

Rhino (EHV-1) is pervasive. It's easily transmitted, and the results of a mare exposed to it is tragic. Yes, ANY time you give a vaccine, or any injection for that matter, there are risks of a reaction. However, the risk of your horse becoming exposed to the disease, even in a closed herd environment are significantly higher and the results can be catastrophic. We vaccinate ALL pregnant mares for the abortion strain of rhino. We vaccinate at 5, 7 and 9 months and if it's a "hot" year, we'll vaccinate at 3, 5 7 and 9 months. It's not worth the risk of not vaccinating and we've seen the tragic results of those who have chosen not to. Definitely not something to be on the fence about in our opinion. Vaccinate.

Hope that helps.

Kathy ST.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

Cheeky Monkey · 05-09-2008, 08:46 PM

the vets I work for dont think it is actually helpful and feel that there is less risk not giving it than giving it. I used it for my first breeding but havent used it since and didnt have a problem.

China515 · 05-09-2008, 09:27 PM

My mare WILL be vaccinated. I am planning on trailering her places and it's not worth the risk.

Equine Repro · 05-10-2008, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey

the vets I work for dont think it is actually helpful and feel that there is less risk not giving it than giving it. I used it for my first breeding but havent used it since and didnt have a problem.

It's not a problem until it "is" a problem and at that time it's too late. It's just like polio and small pox...if you didn't run into anyone that was carrying or transmitting the disease, you were fine. Unfortunately, by the time you realized the disease was around, it was too late.

However, with the abortion strain of Rhino (EHV-1) it is literally everywhere. And, as someone else noted, you can carry it in on your shoes, your clothes, etc. Vaccinating is cheap insurance and the adverse reactions are rare. I'm not being a Pollyanna and saying the never occur, but I will say that you are MUCH more at risk for your mare contracting the disease than having an adverse reaction.

Hope that helps!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

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05-09-2008, 01:13 PM	#13
Rumonek Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Leonidas, MI Posts: 593	I've never heard of side effects of that shot. How can you be sure the shot is what caused your foal's absorption? I have never vaccined my minis with it, but with Rumor I did

05-09-2008, 01:43 PM	#15
Seein'Spots Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Beautiful B.C. Posts: 433	I would also like to hear more. my mares are 31 and 36 days along.

05-09-2008, 07:55 PM	#17
Equine Repro Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wynnewood, Oklahoma Posts: 444	Rhino (EHV-1) is pervasive. It's easily transmitted, and the results of a mare exposed to it is tragic. Yes, ANY time you give a vaccine, or any injection for that matter, there are risks of a reaction. However, the risk of your horse becoming exposed to the disease, even in a closed herd environment are significantly higher and the results can be catastrophic. We vaccinate ALL pregnant mares for the abortion strain of rhino. We vaccinate at 5, 7 and 9 months and if it's a "hot" year, we'll vaccinate at 3, 5 7 and 9 months. It's not worth the risk of not vaccinating and we've seen the tragic results of those who have chosen not to. Definitely not something to be on the fence about in our opinion. Vaccinate. Hope that helps. Kathy ST.Martin Equine Reproduction Short Courses http://www.equine-reproduction.com

05-09-2008, 08:46 PM	#18
Cheeky Monkey Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 2,231	the vets I work for dont think it is actually helpful and feel that there is less risk not giving it than giving it. I used it for my first breeding but havent used it since and didnt have a problem.

05-09-2008, 09:27 PM	#19
China515 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 354	My mare WILL be vaccinated. I am planning on trailering her places and it's not worth the risk.