[hunterjumper198]

http://s302.photobucket.com/albums/n...eequarters.jpg


Could someone please help me judge her conf?? Im looking at her as a jumper, and would like some other opinoins.

Here are some vids.

Hello.
I apologize for the lateness of this reply. Work is extremely busy this month, yesterday I was here from 9am to 10pm, with no lunch, I am actually still at work now as I write this but I needed to respond to you
I would be open to a lease for Cam if I couldn't find someone to buy her outright. I just found out my truck is basically dead and thus I need to buy a new car. One way or another I need to get out from under Cammie, as much as it pains me. Previously, she was for sale if someone came along with the right match and price. Now, unfortunately, its a must sell. (Or lease.)
Let me know what you are thinking of in terms of a lease and if you would like to try to come up and meet her one of these days. I am extremely busy until Halloween and thus Cam is at a friend's barn in Woodstock, IL at least until November. Let me know if you would like to try to come up before then so we can cooridnate with her schedule.

Please let me know if you have any questions.
Katy

Here are some more pictures and videos of Cam:

Still photos including confirmation shots:
http://s302.photobucket.com/albums/nn96/cigar_fan1/CSI/
(I've been told these don't do her justice )

Video of first mini event dressage test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asxl_9CUCg8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asxl_9CUCg8

Video of first ever XC course:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP0m7GtF8fs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP0m7GtF8fs

(So sorry for the poor quality and bouncing camera! It was windy that day and I was trying to move around to get as much as I could on camera...)

Video of our first dressage test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5bWBbZIak" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5bWBbZIak

Video of her hunter flat class:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnwENnNZToo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnwENnNZToo

Video of her hunter rounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRj615L5RJQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRj615L5RJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRsPOpK2nvw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRsPOpK2nvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89V9rMvQvAg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89V9rMvQvAg

Video of her free jumping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxZzxxrPOTM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxZzxxrPOTM

(4.5 foot high, 3.5 foot wide)





Thank you so much!!

[MischiefManaged]

Meh...I think it really depends on what your aspirations for this horse are. It at least sounds like you're only looking for a lease.

I'm not very fond of this mare conformationally.


She is too long from point of hip to stifle and has an unattractively high set tail. Up front, she has a straight shoulder and a very clubby foot. Her neck seems like it could go either way depending on how she is ridden. In this picture, she has a largish under muscle, but with more correct dressage work that could go away. The enormous bump between her eyes bothers me. Her large ear and eye are soft and kind, but the small jowl, unrefined thick mouth, small nostril and that forehead bump all scream complicated to me.

In most of the videos, on the flat she is tense, choppy and always fussing with the bit or throwing her head. Over fences, she does the "3 stride out charge". It's hard to tell if it's the rider encouraging her to do so, or the horse's natural tendency. She seemed overfaced in the 2'9 video. She cleared the jumps but didn't seems to have the flat work in between to be controllable.

So, if it were me looking for a jumper to lease, no, I wouldn't choose her. She seems like she needs to go back to basics for a while and learn to jump on a less restrictive rein, out of a rhymthmic pace, without throwing her head or bolting around the corners. In a true jumper course, I can envision her missing turns or crashing through distances because she seems so unratable.

[MysticRealm]

Man that rider needs to LET GO of his face! She is fighting him so hard to keep him slow and in a head set (the head set more so on the hunter rounds) that the horse is flinging his head and the last stride or 2 he has to grab the bit and yank it out of the riders hands so he has enough freedom to jump!
They have their jump chute too tight for the free jump. Having it a smidgen tightcan help accentuate a round jump but their's is too tight so he is jump in more of an up down motion and landing very close to the jump in a jarring landing.
I think if he is roughly in your price range he might be worth a look. It doesn't say how old he is (that I could see) but I would hope that he is a very young green horse as that is what he looks like. IF you want a project I would try him out. Allow him to carry a good canter and ride with a light rein and see how he does. IT may take a fair amount of retraining to get him to settle in the mouth. My young horse is a bit head tossy and pully and the best thing to do when he does this is LET GO. HE will settle himself and I have slowly been able to add more following hand (take a bit more of a consistent feel) b/c of this.

Just saw the confo pic the last poster put up and that massive underneck is a very CLEAR sign that all he is doing every ride is resisting his rider's hand and bracing with his lower neck! Though he may be a touch conformationally upside down in his neck I think that will DRAMATICALLY change for the better when ridden in a proper way. I watched the dressage video and you can tell most of the time he is 'broken' at the third vertebrae which is a clear indication of a forced head set from a harsh hand.

BTW what happened to his head? It's so bulgy then dips hard just below the eye? Funky. Was he formed with a front leg across his face? (had a friend with a horse like that).

[JBandRio]

How funny, I was just looking at this thread on the other board!

I would want xrays of the LF for sure, to see what exactly is going on. I'm not saying it's a deal-breaker, as some horse are quite fine with that foot for their entire lives. You just want to know what the deal is.

A Hunter she is not, so good that you aren't looking for that

She looks very green, in the realm of things. Because this should not turn into a critique of that rider, as it's not you (unless you have permission for that part), it's hard to go into detail of what I think is the horse vs what I think is how she's being ridden.

So, I'll just say this - she appears to be on the hotter side, and I think it's just made worse by how she's being ridden (in all the videos). But, she appears to be an honest horse who is trying to do the right thing.

How capable/comfortable are you with a more sensitive horse? They can make fantastic Jumpers with the right ride, but can be a disaster with the wrong one.

[hunterjumper198]

Originally Posted by MischiefManaged

Meh...I think it really depends on what your aspirations for this horse are. It at least sounds like you're only looking for a lease.

I'm not very fond of this mare conformationally.


She is too long from point of hip to stifle and has an unattractively high set tail. Up front, she has a straight shoulder and a very clubby foot. Her neck seems like it could go either way depending on how she is ridden. In this picture, she has a largish under muscle, but with more correct dressage work that could go away. The enormous bump between her eyes bothers me. Her large ear and eye are soft and kind, but the small jowl, unrefined thick mouth, small nostril and that forehead bump all scream complicated to me.

In most of the videos, on the flat she is tense, choppy and always fussing with the bit or throwing her head. Over fences, she does the "3 stride out charge". It's hard to tell if it's the rider encouraging her to do so, or the horse's natural tendency. She seemed overfaced in the 2'9 video. She cleared the jumps but didn't seems to have the flat work in between to be controllable.

So, if it were me looking for a jumper to lease, no, I wouldn't choose her. She seems like she needs to go back to basics for a while and learn to jump on a less restrictive rein, out of a rhymthmic pace, without throwing her head or bolting around the corners. In a true jumper course, I can envision her missing turns or crashing through distances because she seems so unratable.

yea, her conf is def not the greatest, so im thinking to keep working with my mare, have you see her??

[hunterjumper198]

Originally Posted by JBandRio

How funny, I was just looking at this thread on the other board!

I would want xrays of the LF for sure, to see what exactly is going on. I'm not saying it's a deal-breaker, as some horse are quite fine with that foot for their entire lives. You just want to know what the deal is.

A Hunter she is not, so good that you aren't looking for that

She looks very green, in the realm of things. Because this should not turn into a critique of that rider, as it's not you (unless you have permission for that part), it's hard to go into detail of what I think is the horse vs what I think is how she's being ridden.

So, I'll just say this - she appears to be on the hotter side, and I think it's just made worse by how she's being ridden (in all the videos). But, she appears to be an honest horse who is trying to do the right thing.

How capable/comfortable are you with a more sensitive horse? They can make fantastic Jumpers with the right ride, but can be a disaster with the wrong one.

yea, her legs are wierd and the bump on the head, idk whats going on there! lol thank you so much for your opinoin!!

[hunterjumper198]

Originally Posted by MysticRealm

Man that rider needs to LET GO of his face! She is fighting him so hard to keep him slow and in a head set (the head set more so on the hunter rounds) that the horse is flinging his head and the last stride or 2 he has to grab the bit and yank it out of the riders hands so he has enough freedom to jump!
They have their jump chute too tight for the free jump. Having it a smidgen tightcan help accentuate a round jump but their's is too tight so he is jump in more of an up down motion and landing very close to the jump in a jarring landing.
I think if he is roughly in your price range he might be worth a look. It doesn't say how old he is (that I could see) but I would hope that he is a very young green horse as that is what he looks like. IF you want a project I would try him out. Allow him to carry a good canter and ride with a light rein and see how he does. IT may take a fair amount of retraining to get him to settle in the mouth. My young horse is a bit head tossy and pully and the best thing to do when he does this is LET GO. HE will settle himself and I have slowly been able to add more following hand (take a bit more of a consistent feel) b/c of this.

Just saw the confo pic the last poster put up and that massive underneck is a very CLEAR sign that all he is doing every ride is resisting his rider's hand and bracing with his lower neck! Though he may be a touch conformationally upside down in his neck I think that will DRAMATICALLY change for the better when ridden in a proper way. I watched the dressage video and you can tell most of the time he is 'broken' at the third vertebrae which is a clear indication of a forced head set from a harsh hand.

BTW what happened to his head? It's so bulgy then dips hard just below the eye? Funky. Was he formed with a front leg across his face? (had a friend with a horse like that).

ugh! i know right?? i have no idea on the head, but i think im def passing on this one! thanks for you help!!

[hunterjumper198]

Originally Posted by MischiefManaged

Meh...I think it really depends on what your aspirations for this horse are. It at least sounds like you're only looking for a lease.

I'm not very fond of this mare conformationally.


She is too long from point of hip to stifle and has an unattractively high set tail. Up front, she has a straight shoulder and a very clubby foot. Her neck seems like it could go either way depending on how she is ridden. In this picture, she has a largish under muscle, but with more correct dressage work that could go away. The enormous bump between her eyes bothers me. Her large ear and eye are soft and kind, but the small jowl, unrefined thick mouth, small nostril and that forehead bump all scream complicated to me.

In most of the videos, on the flat she is tense, choppy and always fussing with the bit or throwing her head. Over fences, she does the "3 stride out charge". It's hard to tell if it's the rider encouraging her to do so, or the horse's natural tendency. She seemed overfaced in the 2'9 video. She cleared the jumps but didn't seems to have the flat work in between to be controllable.

So, if it were me looking for a jumper to lease, no, I wouldn't choose her. She seems like she needs to go back to basics for a while and learn to jump on a less restrictive rein, out of a rhymthmic pace, without throwing her head or bolting around the corners. In a true jumper course, I can envision her missing turns or crashing through distances because she seems so unratable.

Thanks! yep, im passing! lol i was looking for a horse to perfect my pos, not make it worse! haha! i have a mare now that had a terrible head throwing prob, now im riding her with out a martingale or anything!