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    true... well said Jinba...
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    My husband and I, both former collegiate athletes at a Division I school (he in baseball, me in soccer), are on opposite sides of this issue.

    Honestly, I think the punishments are just. Yes, it does indeed suck that current student athletes and students are having to pay this stiff of a price. But they should not be pointing their fingers at the NCAA, as the NCAA didn't bring this upon Penn State. Penn State brought this upon Penn State. If fingers want to point, point them at the numerous people in high positions at the university, that were involved in this ginormous cover-up of the most horrendous crime in the world.

    People say JoePa is a "good" man and he just made a "mistake", and I say "B.S.!". Good people don't make mistakes by knowing that children are being sexually abused and raped, and so they do their best to help cover it up all the while allowing it to continue. JoePa cared more about fame and glory and "his" football team than he did about any other person...or child.

    All of these involved knew they were putting student athletes, students, and even the university at risk of serious punishments, and yet they continued on in their little lies and game of hide-and-prevent from seeking.

    At some point, the punishment must be severe enough to send the point home, and in this case, that's what they attempted to do. In fact, they could've disbanded the team for the entire upcoming year, and I would've been in support of that as well.

    I'm also closely following this issue in regard to Title IX. While this amendment is most often use to make sure that girls/women have the same rights to sports teams as boys/men, it is losely worded in that it states that no person shall be discriminated against by any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. The word "person" could very well spell even more trouble for Penn State, if a judge allows a lawsuit to be put forth under this amendment. This could result in a loss of all financial assistance (grants and loans) to the university as a whole, and I'm not sure any university could continue to run without such assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tack Collector View Post
    I've long been of the opinion that the NFL needs to foot the bill for its own farm teams and the colleges and universities need to get out of the athletic arena altogether. Schools are for academics, and sports are for entertainment.

    Here's the thing, though: Do you really have any idea how much of a school's funding comes from its athletics? Most of it. The athletics department doesn't pocket money that comes in through its programs/teams; in fact, that money goes into the big ol' university pot.

    When I was in college, it was somewhat frustrating to know that most of the proceeds that came in from our sports actually went to fund other programs on campus. If I remember correctly, $0.10 of each person's tuition went to athletics. Yet I paid many, many dollars to research programs on nutria.

    The truth is, many colleges and universities would not be where they are today, in terms of variety of majors and the amount of research/research projects undertaken, if it were not for the athletic programs footing the bills.

    People always want to scream and cry that athletic programs needs to go, but when they do go, so will much of the academic programs that now have no funding to keep them going. Schools rely on athletic programs. It's just how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slc View Post
    PS...there are no reports yet of players clamoring to stay. They will think first of their careers.
    The #1 quarterback has already withdrawn his committment.

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    Can you just immagine how joe felt all those years as he was chaseing the "most wins" knowing that if caught he would loose all those games and i'll bet he chringed when Bobby Bowden at Florida State reported his own Players when he caught them cheating on exams and NCAA vacated some of his wins . now NCAA has vacater 111 of pen State wins from 1998 thru 2011 and dropped joe from #1 in wins to 212 leaving Bobby Bowden as # 1 Bowden being the class act that he is says it is not the way he would have liked it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene Cassels View Post
    Can you just immagine how joe felt all those years as he was chaseing the "most wins" knowing that if caught he would loose all those games and i'll bet he chringed when Bobby Bowden at Florida State reported his own Players when he caught them cheating on exams and NCAA vacated some of his wins . now NCAA has vacater 111 of pen State wins from 1998 thru 2011 and dropped joe from #1 in wins to 212 leaving Bobby Bowden as # 1 Bowden being the class act that he is says it is not the way he would have liked it to be.
    I don't think Mr. Paterno was thinking like that at all. Honestly, I don't think he really knew 100% certain that Sandusky was doing what he was, yes, it was brought to him that there was an incident and yes he should have done more to make sure it was investigated. But he was friends with Sandusky and he either did one of 2 things; straight up asked Sandusky who of course would deny it or he assumed that he knew him well enough to brush it off as a misunderstanding. To assume that he knew without a doubt that Sandusky was molesting boys and that he was hiding that fact from every one is really crazy to me. And to assume that he was "hiding" anything and worrying about not having the "most wins" just doesn't make sense. If someone came to you and told you that your best friend was seen naked in a shower with a young boy what would you do? Ask yourself that. You are assuming that he knew without a doubt what Sandusky was doing and that he didn't care, and I don't beleive that.

    Honestly, I think he was told and not believing it, just moved on assuming it was a misunderstanding. He most definitely did not do enough but I don't think he went out of his way to hide anything. What I do think happened is that once this all came out, then the hiding of what was reported and when it was reported did occur. Sorta trying to sweep under the rug what they did know and what they didn't do. I am not justifying anything that Paterno did or didn't do, and not saying the program should not be punished for not doing enough, but thinking that he knew all along is just silly to me.
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    According to the Freeh report, JoePa knew more than he let on.

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    Want to know what D1 athletics programs generate as far as revenue is concerned? Probably 80% of the athletic budget is generated by football.Think 60 million over 4 years will break the budget? Look at these numbers.
    http://businessofcollegesports.com/2...rgest-profits/
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    I have said over & over again in regards to the JoePa thing...is that there is a famous quote that pertains to this "all it takes for evil to win is for good men to stand by and do nothing..." that about sums it up for me. Good man or not, what he did was wrong and now MANY are suffering. Many more suffered at the hands of Sandusky after this incident that could have been prevented. The first thing you do when there is a CRIME is call the police. JoePa said he didnt want to bother anyone on the weekend in regards to why he waited till Monday to report this to his superiors. I call Bull...theres a police force in State College and they are paid to work the weekends. Why wasnt that boy taken to the hospital to get checked??? Why, if as Paterno says, he thought upper management was handling it, when nothing happened didnt he question it? Because he knew...good man or not... mistake or not... he knew. But that does not make this the students & faculties fault... 5 men are taking down and entire community. One is dead. Guess who gets the load shoveled on his coffin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbd View Post
    And now they have to give a big chunk of that money, made off the back of players who get paid nothing, to childrens' charities. I have no problem with this at all. And those students who don't even play football sitting around crying about the announcements? My message to them: you're in university - forget about sports - go read a book.
    Some have already pointed out that there is good reason for current students to be taking this verdict seriously even if they don't play football, but I would like to point out that this problem will sully the diploma of any past, present and future students.

    I've heard several people now say that they will not hire a PSU graduate. ALL people tied to PSU need to take this seriously. Please don't judge them for being concerned over their future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinba ittai View Post
    Why?? Because of the culture in that school. You did NOTHING that might besmirch the name of the football program. Plus, this guy was giving these kids this GREAT opportunity, and he was a community leader - who would believe a punk kid over such an influencial guy? The reason these kids didn't speak up is because of shame, because of fear, and because they knew that nothing would happen.
    Unfortunately, the culture at that school is one that protects much more then the football program. There are many good ol' boys in that school and it was only a matter of time before a controversy shook it's foundation. They protected their own quite a bit and it really sickened me at times.
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